A good 1911 article

[cankicker01]

Saw this in the loadout room. I personally thought it was a well balanced article. Would like to get the members take on it.

http://loadoutroom.com/1421/the-1911...th-and-legend/

[Gem1950]

He makes some good points. I read something on a forum once that applies to the thrust of this article. The 1911 is not a just a gun, it's a hobby. I think that a lot of people do not realize that a 1911, more than any other pistol, requires an intimate knowledge of is mechanics (and a little mechanical inclination) to keep it running well. It's not a do nothing to it kind of gun.

[Ironbutt]

That sounds like a pretty fair asessment. I always make the comparison of a 1970's muscle car, (1911), to a new Honda Accord, (Glock, M&P, etc.)
Both will get the job done, but the 1911 (muscle car) will do it with much more class. It just needs more TLC to do it.

[rojocorsa]

I just wish more people could understand this part! Whether it be about 1911s, AR-15s, M-14 clones, etc etc...

When this gun was built to military contract specs, it worked because every company making the gun used the same set of details and blueprints, but without that military contract, no manufacturer is held to a certain set of specs. They’re not originals, by the true sense of the word, but each are made to the same basic design spec. This is why a 1911 from Kimber looks the same as a 1911 from Springfield and Ed Brown and Remington and so forth.

However, the devil is in the details here. Many people who malign or even pick up and regurgitate the hate about the platform do so for this simple reason. Like any other similar-but-different item on the market, no two manufacturers agree exactly on how to make this gun. Pin placement, part dimensions, clearances, tolerances, all of these basic details change from brand to brand.

Because of these variations, parts that would otherwise drop in are forced to be made oversized and fitted, as what is too big to work in one brand is undersized in another. Ask any gunsmith about “Drop in” parts, and they’ll explain the same thing.

When I first joined this forum and read all the stickied AR knowledge threads, the above message was one of the biggest, if not the biggest piece of information I took home.

[Got UZI]

Very good article. Makes one think about the 1911 platform. Tho I'm sure some people will still say the 1911 is out dated.

[Gem1950]

Very good article. Makes one think about the 1911 platform. Tho I'm sure some people will still say the 1911 is out dated.

That is because, unfortunately, thinking is outdated. A lot of people would prefer to just be able to squeze a "safe" trigger and not have to think about anything else while sending 18 rounds down range. I'm not putting down all the plastic guns or their proponents or their conscious preference. The 1911 is just a universe apart, pure and simple.

[Sry0fcr]

That sounds like a pretty fair asessment. I always make the comparison of a 1970's muscle car, (1911), to a new Honda Accord, (Glock, M&P, etc.)
Both will get the job done, but the 1911 (muscle car) will do it with much more class. It just needs more TLC to do it.

Yeah but one can get a modern muscle car with more power, more reliability, better handling, more amenities, and better fuel efficiency ect without all the headache. 70's muscle cars like the 1911 have a huge cult following mostly because of nostalgia. And that's fine, I just want folks to acknowledge it.

[wake.joe]

I think the problem is there are a lot of "inexpensive" 1911's made by companies that just simply don't work. So it creates a higher percentage of guns that don't run, vs one's that do. And because 90% of people don't run them hot and dirty - It goes unnoticed.

So, people who DO like to get their guns hot and dirty have to go the expensive route. Because these companies are few and far between (And usually backlogged) there is no reason to lower prices.

A 1911 will never be as inexpensive as a glock, just due to the basic number of parts alone.

The only real "MECHANICAL" disadvantage to a 1911 is the low capacity. The talk about "Modern machining not lending itself to the design" is hogwash in my ears.

[cankicker01]

Guys lets please not turn this into a pissing match. I posted this article because I was glad to see a 1911 article outside of this forum that generally stayed true to the Facts concerning the 1911 platform. I think it looks bad on all of us as forum members when we tear each other down (whether intentional or not) for our choice in weapons. I think that any of us whether, 1911 or Glock owners start assuming that we are superior fighters or marksmen due to our weapon choice........ Makes us the dumb ones. The key to superiority is not the weapon, but the one who wields it. Bet there are dudes on this board that can smoke our shit with a Glock. I also bet that there are some dudes who can run their 1911's in circles around some Glock owners. I think any of us can be better with whatever platform we choose to run, if we are dedicated to learn it's strengths AND weaknesses and train accordingly.

[Got UZI]

"Guys lets please not turn this into a pissing match. I posted this article because I was glad to see a 1911 article outside of this forum that generally stayed true to the Facts concerning the 1911 platform. I think it looks bad on all of us as forum members when we tear each other down (whether intentional or not) for our choice in weapons. I think that any of us whether, 1911 or Glock owners start assuming that we are superior fighters or marksmen due to our weapon choice........ Makes us the dumb ones. The key to superiority is not the weapon, but the one who wields it. Bet there are dudes on this board that can smoke our shit with a Glock. I also bet that there are some dudes who can run their 1911's in circles around some Glock owners. I think any of us can be better with whatever platform we choose to run, if we are dedicated to learn it's strengths AND weaknesses and train accordingly."



Very well put. Seems that some In general think they have te best opinion period. Who decided one person is more supioror to another? Because someone has more money to spend on training or gear than another? This makes their opinion better than someone who is starting out but is not a fool?? Whatever happened to the mutial respect to all shooters? Seems that in these days, we shoud all be banding together and not fighting among ourselves over who has a bigger pair of balls....