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    SIONICS Weapon Systems

    I have spent the last several months working with SIONICS Weapon Systems and wanted to take a moment to let everyone know what is going on here.

    Some of you may have heard the name in the past... SIONICS started here in Tucson a couple of years ago; the originator of SIONICS wanted to make the best, no-nonsense carbine that you could get for a reasonable price and his dedication to that has lead to some pretty interesting products. Around the first of this year SIONICS moved into a new production facility and we pulled a great deal of the production in-house. The basic idea is simple: I was talking with a good friend one day when he commented that the AR is really just a barrel, bolt and trigger – and that if those parts are all good, the rifle will be good.

    So, when developing the new lineup of SIONICS rifles, we focused on those three parts: the core of the rifle.

    The barrels blanks are made to our drawing, they are all certified 11595E 41V50 steel and the brunt of our new rifles all use a 16 inch, 1:8, mid-length gas system barrel. Of course they all use NATO chambering and are hard chrome lined. We bring the barrels in and have them radiographed (x-ray) in two positions and the mag-particle inspected. The barrels are then manganese phosphated and if required a F-marked FSB is installed. Every barrel is test fired for function and accuracy... any barrel that does not make it all the way through is rejected.

    The bolts are all current contract parts and are 100% HP tested and MP inspected, bolts are all shot peened and use the heavy extractor spring, black insert and o-ring. All of our bolt carriers are contract M16 parts, carrier keys are side staked and the carrier and key are NP3 plated.

    The trigger is an after market single-stage design, that breaks at 4.5 – 5 lbs and has a very short, positive reset. The upper and lower receivers are of course 7075-T6 and Type III anodized with a dark black dye treatment.

    Very solid rifles.

    All Patrol Rifles features a 16" barrel with the popular Mid-Length gas system... other standard feature of the Patrol I include:
    7075 Forged, M4 Upper Receiver Assembly
    16" 41V50, Hard Chrome lined, 5.56mm NATO, 1:8 Barrel
    Mid-Length Gas System
    Forged "F" Marked Front Sight Base
    A2 Flash Suppressor
    Magpul MOE Handguard
    Mil-Spec Bolt Assembly with Nickel/PTFE Carrier
    7075 Charging Handle
    Magpul MBUS Rear Sight
    7075 Forged Lower Receiver
    SIONICS Lower Parts Kit w/Precision LE Trigger
    Magpul MOE Grip and Trigger Bow
    Mil-Spec Receiver Extension Tube
    True "H" Buffer and Mil-Spec Action Spring
    Magpul MOE Stock



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    I find the choice of 1:8 barrel twist interesting. I can recall seeing at least one well respected individual on this forum post a while back that he would like to see that twist rate become more popular.
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    Disclaimer: I am employed by Shadow Systems. My posts on this site are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer.

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    1:8 simply makes sense to have. Good to see that its a midlength too. What barrel profile is it?

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    I drew the barrel up... I call it a lighter than medium weight, it balances well. There are a couple of members here that have shot the rifles, maybe they can give some opinion.
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    Very good assessment of what an AR essentially is.

    Because inquiring minds want to know-
    -what method of manufacture was used to produce the barrels?
    -can you tell us who makes the barrel?
    -are the barrels proofed?
    -when will they be available?
    -how much are they going to sell for?
    -are they going to be available in taupe?
    The number of folks on my Full Of Shit list grows everyday

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    Give me a day or so to collect my thoughts. I have been working behind the scenes and I actually used one of the carbines during the Magpul Dynamics Course in Tucson back in April.



    Owner/Instructor at Semper Paratus Arms

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    Master Armorer/R&D at SIONICS Weapon Systems- http://sionicsweaponsystems.com

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    Is this affiliated with the orginal Sionics corporation started by Mitch WerBell?
    Last edited by Nightvisionary; 05-27-12 at 12:55.

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    Looks like a good quality, well thought out offering.

    I would be interested in buying a barrel in the future.
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    Now is my time to throw my .02 cents in place. Back in April I was able to attend the Magpul Dynamics Carbine course taught by Steve Fisher and hosted by Tucson Guns. Steve and the guys from Tucson Guns were great.

    I have been working behind the scenes with K.L Davis and the owner of Sionics Weaponry providing input and advice while I was working overseas the last few months.

    I was asked to use one of their rifles during the course to provide my input and to help put some more rounds through the weapon. For the class I selected the Patrol III XL. The specs on this were as follows;

    1. 16" mid length barrel made from 4150 CMV with an A2 flash hider.

    2. Samson 15" Evolution rail with 3 rail segments in place.

    3. M4 marked flat top upper receiver.

    4. Magpul Gen II front and rear BUIS.

    5. Milspec BCG HP/MPI tested with black Ion bonding. (This was very interesting as I don't usually care for those "fancy" coatings and a USGI standard charging handle.

    6. Sionics lower receiver with Mapgul SRT stock, MOE pistol grip, trigger guard and JARD LE trigger system. Buffer was an H with a standard M4 buffer spring.

    I did a quick visual inspection of the rifle, lubed it with Froglube and then added a few of my own accessories. I didn't care for the ambi sling plate that was on it. Not only was it in my way, I don't care much for single point slings. I ended up wrenching it off with the help of Kino and then added my Vickers sling, PRI charging handle (no spare BCM at the time) Tango Down VFG and a borrowed Aimpoint Micro T-1 with a 2 MOA dot (thanks again Steve).

    I was told that it had already been fired so it was somewhat broken in. As anyone who knows about shooting in a Magpul class, that won't last long as you will be putting rounds down range in no time.

    For the class I used a variety of GI aluminum magazines, Mapgul mags, Gen I Lancers and the always maligned Surefire magazines. All magazines did exactly what they should have and dropped free when released. The Surefire mags proved to be boringly reliable and thus far I have (3) of them. One has at least 1K rounds through it, and the others a few hundred. Prices are dropping and I encourage you to grab at least one.

    Back to the carbine. I was surprised by the Samson rail. It was very solid and lightweight. The rifle balanced out very nicely and due to that extra bit of rail I was easily able to reach my off hand out there. Those with long arms will definitely appreciate it.

    I fired well over 700 rounds in the approx. 2 days that I used the carbine. The temps were well into the low 90's and it stayed warm. The rail stayed surprisingly cool even when slinging alot of rounds down range. During that time I used surplus Lake City M855, Hornady 75gr. Steel TAP and some M193. All ammo fired 100% and there were zero malfunctions of any kind during the course. I was a little surprised to say the least. In the back of my mind I somehow want something to happen so I can (a) work on it, (b) see what the hell happened.

    After the conclusion of the course, I was able to take the rifle with me to do some additional shooting. I wanted to test it out with a Battle Comp, an A5 set up and do some more informal shooting. More about that later.

    In all the carbine handled very well, was very pleasant to shoot, and was more than accurate. Most of you know I could care less what kind of groups I get off the bench. What matters to me is that the weapon works and that I can put rounds where they need to go and it did exactly that. I did not clean the weapon at all. I simply hit it with some FrogLube and shot it. When I took the BCG out of the weapon at the end of the class, I was shocked. There was virtually no carbon the the BCG at all. The Froglube and combination of the Ion bond was simply amazing.

    One thing I didn't care for was the JARD trigger and I believe that issue is being looked at. Additionally no carbine or rifle is complete without a BCM charging handle. There simply is no place for a regular USGI handle in 2012. I have also recommended that Sionics look at offering the Battle Arms selector lever with all of their carbines and rifles. Those who have used them can attest for the high quality. During the Magpul course on thing I missed was the Battle Arms 45 degree lever on my other AR's.

    If you are in AZ or passing through I encourage you to contact Kino or the guys at Sionics to learn more. They are very customer oriented which is something that seems to lack nowadays. In addition to complete rifles and carbines they also have lowers for sale, uppers and parts. I believe that barrels are also going to be available as well.

    Also in the very near future we are going to be offering an Armorer Course that will be taught by myself. The class will be 2 days long and it will be open to everyone. Civilians, LE, and military. There is nothing "top secret" going on in those classes and with the amount of people building carbines, it is essential to learn the Do's and Don'ts as well as the nuts and bolts of how to put one together and keep it running. I can guarantee that you will learn something. Classes will be taught locally as well as anywhere that someone wants within reason. Below is a link the Youtube video I did, describing some features and the performance of the carbine. Also a pic of me shooting and how the carbine was set up for me.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmdjZ...eature=g-all-u

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    Owner/Instructor at Semper Paratus Arms

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SemperParatusArms/

    Semper Paratus Arms AR15 Armorer Course http://www.semperparatusarms.com/cou...-registration/

    M4C Misc. Training and Course Announcements- http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=141

    Master Armorer/R&D at SIONICS Weapon Systems- http://sionicsweaponsystems.com

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    I am a huge fan of 1/8, the barrel sounds like a winner

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