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Quote Originally Posted by DocGKR View Post
Never received any ammo...
And you never will.

http://www.eliteammunition.net/f/Warrant_July_2011.pdf

Their "shop" (Jay Wolf's basement) was raided by ATF last July; they were found to be illegally manufacturing and selling ARMOR PIERCING HANDGUN AMMUNITION; wherein the ATF seized their entire stock of contraband ammo, customer records, computers, tooling, machines, supplies; they've yet to be charged, but that is just a matter of time.

Especially considering that in the 5 years they've been in business, they haven't paid a penny of the 11% Federal Arms and Ammunition Excise Tax required by law, have not paid a penny in corporate income tax, payroll tax, State/County/City assessments - or Worker's Compensation Tax.

During the last 3 years alone they have been complicit in mail fraud, financial fraud, identity theft, stalking, impersonations of Law Enforcement and private citizens; these are not people of high moral character.

How do I know these things?

Three years ago I terminated my business relationship with them; they had, over an 8 month period of time, falsified stock-sales certificates, with the aid of Lisa Wolf's mother Lupe; they STOLE my 50% share of the company, and then to perfect their theft, began the singly most vicious campaign of slander, libel and defamation that I, and the Attorney General of Wisconsin, have ever seen.

Three years of identity theft. Three years of having my name dragged through the mud by these.. people. Three years of almost daily having to send letters to internet companies ordering them to remove profiles and accounts created by Jay and Lisa Wolf, who are impersonating me.

Three years of constant State, Federal and Local police contact; they just can't resist the urge to threaten people in my name, and then direct LE towards me.

Yes, Jay and Lisa Wolf and I have a storied past; yes, I am partially responsible for the animosity between us - but my share is the lesser share - I never stole anything from them. I never impersonated them. I never broke the law, and in order to cover my tracks, blamed it on someone else.

I didn't cyberstalk them; they have me and several dozen other people.

Here's a bit of additional information on Jay Wolf and Lisa Wolf; I guarantee you'll think twice before believing anything they have to say if you read 1% of what I have compiled; for 3 years they've cyberstalked me, and I remained completely silent in public, gathering evidence and coordinating with 3 others who were and remain being stalked by Jay and Lisa Wolf; for the time being I'm acting as figurehead; two are active LE and don't wish to have their names bandied about.. yet. The other is simply devastated by what they've done to him and can't bear any more public humiliation.

BEWARE of doing business with Jay Wolf, Lisa Wolf, or Elite Ammunition; they are liars, thieves, braggarts... and CRIMINALS.

And in stark contrast to the way Jay and Lisa Wolf harass people, with false names and striking from the dark when your back is turned, my name is Ryan J Herle, and I claim full responsibility for the content of this message - and I claim it to be 100% FACTUAL; I'm not even going to try the "this is my opinion, and as such protected speech" game here; no, I claim this to be TRUTH.

Let them sue me if they believe it isn't; better yet, let them file a criminal compliant; there's more than one way to trap a crook - usually all you have to do is let them keep talking long enough, and they'll convict themselves.

http://jaywolfcyberstalker.blogspot.com/
http://lisawolfcyberstalker.blogspot.com/
http://www.icarry.org/ftopicp-19853.html

If you have a few HOURS to wade through BS, read here:
http://68forums.com/forums/showthrea...959-Elite-ammo

Fun parts of this post include a claim that they're "going into business with Remington" to provide them with a "revolutionary new bullet type," (as if Remington would need the 'expertise of a guy working from his basement with a screw machine), and the claims of making bullets "that require paperwork," meaning "restricted AP ammunition," which requires a Type 10 FFL - they only have a Type 06.

Lies about his ATF 'raid."
http://68forums.com/forums/showthrea...678#post232678

Google it, and read the variations between stories he tells on different websites.

Here's an article that follows-up on Jay Wolf's claims of being mistreated by ATF and conducting lawful business - he originally claimed that NRA-ILA and GOA were providing lawyers for him, then regressed to begging for "defense funds."

NRA says there's no reason for them to get involved; the BATFE was justified.

"NRA-ILA is aware of and monitoring the situation. If ATF oversteps their regulatory authority, we will take action, but at this time we are aware and monitoring what is happening,” said Rachel Parson, NRA spokesperson."

They've done nothing because Jay Wolf is in the wrong.

Follow up by author Dan Kidder, editor of Sportsman's News;

"It appears at this time that the rumor of vast sweeping changes of status to .223/5.56 ammunition have been overstated and what we have instead is a case of single manufacturer who may have stepped too closely to the line of what is permitted under the current regulations. Jay Wolf, CEO of Elite Ammunition currently has a lawsuit pending against BATFE and we may have to await the outcome of that suit before we learn the true facts regarding this case. While we at Sportsman’s News Magazine are always glad to verify the veracity of any rumors regarding our rights as sportsmen, we do urge anyone hearing any rumors to proceed with a certain level of skepticism, lest we end up crying WOLF and ending up with egg on our face."

http://sportsmansnews.com/2011/07/is...on-ammunition/