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    Tier 1 Instructor

    How would you define / characterize a Tier 1 Instructor (as opposed to top tier)? Is it their reputation and years of instruction or the fact that they have taught Tier 1 Operators (Delta & DevGru although Intelligence Support Activity is also added at times as well as some of the overseas units like SAS, SBE, etc.).

    In the absence of certification or standards is it too loose a term? Is it all too subjective?

    I know Paul Howe whom I respect greatly calls himself a Tier 1 Senior Instructor (I know about his experience as a Tier 1 Operator).

    Even if subjective, who would you call a "Tier 1 Instructor"?


    Addendum on 8.21.2012 at 17:32 PT:

    This will help me in my training.

    I've taken courses with the following:

    ITTS, TFTT, Falcon Operations Group, Chris Costa, GPS Defense, TAC-1, Blackwater, Rob Haught, TASC, Suarez, and some others.

    However, I really started improving once I started training with the following since November 2010:

    Ken Hackathorn, Larry Vickers, Jason Falla, Jeff Gonzales, TigerSwan, Mike Pannone, Pat McNamara, JD Potynsky (with Kyle Defoor and Frank Proctor coming up in September and October respectively).

    So, I'm looking for more instructors like the latter group including Kyle Lamb and Paul Howe.
    Last edited by RamZar; 08-21-12 at 19:33. Reason: Expansion on purpose...
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    Tiers were devised by JSOC to establish funding priorities, not as a measure of abilities. People way overthink this stuff.

    ETA: Not that there isn't a strong correlation between tier and abilities wrt DA, but it comes from funding priorities.
    Last edited by RyanB; 08-21-12 at 19:45.

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    I think according to the definition of Tier1. A Tier 1 instructor is someone who instructs Tier 1 unit members.
    Frank Proctor comes to mind as someone I know actually is a Tier 1 instructor.

    However I believe the term Tier 1 is used incorrectly the vast majority of the time in regards to instructors and others as well.

    That being said, there are a number of instructors that would qaulify
    as "Top Tier" instructors. Most of whome you have trained with,minus a couple of names.

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    Imagine a world, and the dialogue therein, in which the word "tier" was uttered, typed, or imagined only by those who had served in such units.

    Way too much baggage tied to the word and it's use.
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    Have you taken a class with f2s?

    Because you'll be a tier one ninja after.

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    A lot of people seem to have the misconception that doctrine taught by instructors from Tier 1 units somehow makes them better operators in the 1st CivDiv.

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    Shooting is shooting. Robbie Leatham has a side gig teaching JSOC to shoot. If they can learn it from him you can learn it from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanB View Post
    Robbie Leatham has a side gig teaching JSOC to shoot. If they can learn it from him you can learn it from them.
    Indeed.

    Rob Leatham, Bob Vogel and Ron Avery are on my list for next year. You can definitely learn from such high caliber competitive shooters.
    Last edited by RamZar; 08-23-12 at 13:39. Reason: Plus Ron Avery
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    Websters definition of tier:

    Noun; A rank or class.


    "Tier 1 Instructor" has no defined term. For me, I lump instructors into this group because they meet ALL the below reqs:

    A. They served in a Tier 1 unit.
    B. Teach Tier 1 shooters.
    C. Are KNOWN to be an excellent instructor (Vetted by their peers).




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    Last edited by C4IGrant; 08-22-12 at 08:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearedHot View Post
    A lot of people seem to have the misconception that doctrine taught by instructors from Tier 1 units somehow makes them better operators in the 1st CivDiv.
    Could you please expound on this a bit? What exactly are you saying?

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