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    Quote Originally Posted by vaglocker View Post
    I assume you mean when used in an AUG rifle, otherwise that would seem to be a pretty bold statment.
    It is a bold statement, yet it is an entirely accurate statement.

    5.56 magazine vs 5.56 magazine, the AUG mag is indisputably superior to every 5.56 magazine ever made including the lauded magpul offerings.

    If an AUG magazine could fit in an AR magwell, AUG mags would be the ONLY magazine governments and civilians would want and buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STG77 View Post
    It is a bold statement, yet it is an entirely accurate statement.

    5.56 magazine vs 5.56 magazine, the AUG mag is indisputably superior to every 5.56 magazine ever made including the lauded magpul offerings.

    If an AUG magazine could fit in an AR magwell, AUG mags would be the ONLY magazine governments and civilians would want and buy.
    I'd be interested in hearing how you arrived at that conclusion concerning Swiss SAN magazines vs. AUG magazines, also like to see your findings for 416 vs. AUG magazines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    I'd be interested in hearing how you arrived at that conclusion concerning Swiss SAN magazines vs. AUG magazines, also like to see your findings for 416 vs. AUG magazines.
    I have a few HK maritime mags, and while they are decent magazines they do have inherit problems. Reported problems with the maritime mags are weak springs not holding the bolt open, bent feedlips, magazine failure after being dropped, catastrophic failure after being run over by any vehicle...

    "I have alot of experience with HK M16 mags and can no longer recommend them due to some issues the current version has - particularly at the price they sell at

    I have been using some PMAGS with good results - my recommendation is buy a few (for the price of one HK mag) and try them

    Good luck
    Larry Vickers"

    Concerning the Sig 550 type magazines, I don't have any reason to believe that they are better than the AUG mag. Will they withstand being run over by an armored vehicle?

    My experience leads me to believe that the AUG magazine is the most reliable, dependable, and functional magazine made for any firearm that uses 5.56.

    AUG mags are virtually indestructible, they are smooth as silk to load, they are anti-tilt and do not jam, they are translucent, the outer surface aids in magazine manipulation, the baseplates are a great design and will withstand drops/falls/abuse, the feedlips won't suddenly bend, open, crack, or split (but may wear out over time), seams of the magazine will not magically split or crack, the mag bodies are sound and will take all the abuse you can give them.

    For those who do not know the magpul "drive over the mag" test was originally done by Steyr with the AUG mag back in the 70's. The design never changed, the mags are the same; there was never a need for a generation change or improvements. AUG mags from the late 70's are identical to AUG mags you find today.

    I have AUG mags from earlier than 1982 all the way up until today. I have no "range" mags nor do I have "bad" mags. My AUG mags just work, period.


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    Always loved AUG.

    Price is very reasonable to me, under 2K.

    I am very interested.
    Last edited by Skang; 09-01-12 at 01:42.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STG77 View Post
    Price is ~$1995 for the AUG A3 (I do not know exact prices).

    Price for the A3 with NATO stock is $100 more than the normal A3.
    only thing different between regular A3 and NATO is magazine well?

    length wise all same? isn't it better to buy NATO stock for cheaper mags?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skang View Post
    isn't it better to buy NATO stock for cheaper mags?
    Only if you managed to completely miss the discussion about how AUG mags are better-suited to the gun in every possible respect, and (currently) only if you wish to limit the configuration of your rifle to right-hand ejection.

    The NATO stock isn't a bad idea, but it is a compromise. Although Austria often works in close cooperation with NATO, it not a member state; as such, there were no nagging cross-compatibility issues to contend with when the rifle was originally designed. The highly-optimized magazines that Steyr developed for the gun have stood the test of time, and although they are proprietary, pricing and availability are not significant obstacles in the US market.

    AC

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    Quote Originally Posted by STG77 View Post
    Steyr is in the process of getting a variance from the ATF that would allow them to have Vltor machine the receivers without Vltor's name or info on them. Soon there will be three types of receivers that have "Sabre Defence", "Vltor", and "Steyr" on them...

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    very nicely built rifles!those butt stocks need a side panel,so you can store something in them, like say a ham and cheese sandwich since there is so damn much room in there.but really the space could be used for something like a gps or an extra 20round magazine!

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    It was mentioned earlier that PMags dont function properly in the NATO stock. Why is that, when they function fine in the MSAR STG-556? What is different?

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    Interesting - I hadn't heard that about PMAGs. Considering that Steyr currently has these pictures splashed on their Facebook page, I'm not sure they consider it a problem.




    Obscure firearms trivia: Steyr actually manufactured a version of the FN FAL for the Austrian Army called the STG 58 starting in 1958. The Austrian Army replaced the STG 58 with the Steyr AUG in 1977. Later, the Steyr AUG magazine was actually used in an Argentine 5.56mm variant of the FN FAL called the FALMP III.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    Only if you managed to completely miss the discussion about how AUG mags are better-suited to the gun in every possible respect, and (currently) only if you wish to limit the configuration of your rifle to right-hand ejection.

    The NATO stock isn't a bad idea, but it is a compromise. Although Austria often works in close cooperation with NATO, it not a member state; as such, there were no nagging cross-compatibility issues to contend with when the rifle was originally designed. The highly-optimized magazines that Steyr developed for the gun have stood the test of time, and although they are proprietary, pricing and availability are not significant obstacles in the US market.

    AC
    Thanks AC and STG77. I'm interested in adding a bullpup design to my stable of AR's, but I'm very much a novice when it comes to weapons outside of the US inventory. So, it is advice like this that will keep me from cutting corners and making a $2K mistake. I was trying to rationalize a NATO stock since I've got more STANAG mags than I can count.

    Right now, I'm undecided between the Tavor and the AUG A3 CQC configuration. I'm going to wait an lay hands on both before I make a final decision.
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