Budget Mil/Mil Optics: BSA Tactical, Millett Tactical, or Primary Arms?

[Will_Power]

Hey all,

Unexpected expenses have hit over the past couple of months and dug into my fun money, but I still need to pick up a starter mil/mil scope.

Right now, I'm looking between these three:

BSA Tactical 4-14x44mm Side Focus

Millett Tactical TRS-1 4-16x50mm Side Focus

Primary Arms 4-14X44 Mil Mil FFP

Granted, all these are low-end, budget affairs, but do any of these three come out as the obvious choice to you experienced guys? The Primary Arms is a bit of an unknown, historically, but they seem to be building a good reputation for price. That, and the FFP is appealing.

To rehash, this will be going on a 5.56 with mix of precision paper punching and coyote/varmint hunting.

Thanks!

[Koshinn]

Primary arms has decent stuff, not bad glass. I'd say you get more than what you pay for with PA, but I would not use it on anything but a range-only weapon. I have Trijicon and Aimpoint on my defense weapons. PA stuff is pretty good for a budget though, American company but contracts production in China to cut costs.

I can't comment on the other two.

[The_Hammer_Man]

Check out some of the new Weaver/Kaspa scopes that have come onto the market recently. They're not bad for range only scopes for pretty decent prices.

Friend of mind picked up one of the 1.5-6's and one of the 2.5-10's. They're actually pretty decent considering the price point.

(both 200 or less)

[orkan]

I have been looking for an uber-low budget mil/mil/ffp for rimfire. I ordered a primary arms. The first one that showed up was a turd. Virtually no clicks in the elevation turret.

I called and they were prompt to tell me "send it back, we'll send a new one" A couple weeks went by, nothing showed up. I called. "We have nothing in the system for you." It was as if the first call never took place. About a week later from the second call, another scope showed up. This one had mediocre clicks in both windage and elevation... with the elevation turret being egg shaped somewhere. When turning it, it gets easy, then hard, then easy. So something is ob-longed in there.

I haven't had time to test tracking, subtension, or anything yet. I can see through it... and it has a mil reticle. It's small and light weight. I'd rather have enclosed turrets and a better reticle with half mil stadia.

If I compare it to a regular $250 SFP vortex crossfire, this primary arms is a piece of shit. I have no other $250 mil/mil/ffp optics to compare it to. I really wish vortex would put out a mil/mil/ffp in their crossfire line with a Gen II reticle.

[Kenneth]

For a red dot go with PA if you want magnification go with the millet.

[orkan]

For a red dot go with PA if you want magnification go with the millet.

... my experience with millet has been horrible.

What are you basing this recommendation from?

[a0cake]

I have been looking for an uber-low budget mil/mil/ffp for rimfire.

Same. I can't find shit. I basically want the same thing -- MIL/MIL FFP -- but I also want an AO that focuses at 10 yards. Sub $400 would be great too, if possible. As far as I can tell, this does not exist. Let me know if you find something.

If Vortex would just make a Crossfire or Diamondback in this configuration, they could corner the non-fudd rimfire market, I think. They already have AO options on those lines so it shouldn't be too hard to do. Dropping the Dead Hold BDC crap would be a good move too.

[Will_Power]

Same. I can't find shit. I basically want the same thing -- MIL/MIL FFP -- but I also want an AO that focuses at 10 yards. Sub $400 would be great too, if possible. As far as I can tell, this does not exist. Let me know if you find something.

At this point, it's looking like FFP isn't an option (unless I go with the Primary Arms, but their QC seems iffy).

But mil/mil under $400? There's got to be something reliable that won't fall apart in the field.... hopefully.

[orkan]

That's pretty surprising considering how horrible normal BSA scopes are.

[jbsmwd]

One of the things that I looked at was the reviews on midway.com about this scope. 29 reviews with an average 4.4 and 5 being the best and only two reviewers gave it a 1. It was the overall trend that that allowed me to say "sure why not take the chance".