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    Question Ultralight for pest control. 410 vs 20? sxs vs pump?

    I need to get my Dad something to control the pests around the property. Mainly something we can load light enough to take out a bird but not damage the fruit trees or eaves of the house. I was thinking a 410 or 20ga, but I know little about them.

    What he has right now is an A5 in 12ga, just a bit overkill.

    The 17 HMR has to much range, and does to much damage.

    We tried a Gammo pellet gun. He is not fast enough for a snap shot and he is not accurate enough for distance.

    1) Needs to be light, and point easy. Dad and Mom are getting older.

    2) Needs to hold more than one round. They might need a fallow up shot.

    3) Budget is under $400

    4) Needs to be under $1 a round.

    Are there any cheap double 410s with screw chokes? The idea being load one round cylander for the initial shot, and the second round full for the followup after you spook em off the tree. Maybe use #9 target loads?

    Get a 20ga youth model pump? Find someone who makes a really light load? That way he could have say #12 in the chamber and #8 for followup?

    Any ideas? I'm surprised Benjamin have not come out with a small PCP shotgun.

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    What about a .22lr rifle? If you aren't shooting birds on the wing it could work.

    As far as shotguns, some of the russian and turkish guns that have been brought in could come in at your price range, not as refined but they work reliably.

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    A 410 is not less powerful than a 12.. It just throws less shot. GH

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    Last edited by Clint; 06-25-13 at 15:43.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GH41 View Post
    A 410 is not less powerful than a 12.. It just throws less shot. GH
    I tend to disagree. 410g has no where the distance as the 12g does. Game has to be fairly close to do damage with 410g. Knock down flying geese with 12g. 410g would not even ruffle a goose feather.

    Maybe the the first 30 yards it has equal power, if that is what you mean?

    OP, I think you and your dad need to shoot friends different caliber rifles and see for yourself. Even a BB gun will damage fruit trees. If you are concerned about the eves of your house getting damaged, you should not be shooting in this area at all and maybe consider a slingshot with a pinch of shelled corn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airhasz View Post
    I tend to disagree. 410g has no where the distance as the 12g does. Game has to be fairly close to do damage with 410g. Knock down flying geese with 12g. 410g would not even ruffle a goose feather.

    Maybe the the first 30 yards it has equal power, if that is what you mean?

    OP, I think you and your dad need to shoot friends different caliber rifles and see for yourself. Even a BB gun will damage fruit trees. If you are concerned about the eves of your house getting damaged, you should not be shooting in this area at all and maybe consider a slingshot with a pinch of shelled corn.
    An X weight pellet driven to Y velocity does NOT know what gauge gun it was fired from!! Yes 1-1/2 oz puts more lead in the sky than 1/2 oz but the killing power of each pellet is the same. GH

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    Quote Originally Posted by GH41 View Post
    An X weight pellet driven to Y velocity does NOT know what gauge gun it was fired from!! Yes 1-1/2 oz puts more lead in the sky than 1/2 oz but the killing power of each pellet is the same. GH
    Your first post:

    A 410 is not less powerful than a 12.. It just throws less shot. GH

    The 12 goes much farther than the 410. It seems to me the 12 has more power (gunpowder) per oz of shot than the 410 which makes the 12 a more powerful shotgun IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint View Post

    I agree with your suggestion of ratshot, OP's best bet.
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    At least in my experience, range for that rat shot is very limited. Maybe try some 9 shot out of either the .410 or 20 gauge. If you have the capability to reload very light that might be your best bet.

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    What exactly does he need to dispatch and at what range?
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    I suggest you to use the shot gun because it's better for you to do something serious for these pest, they really irritates the whole trees sector or your fields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airhasz View Post
    Your first post:

    A 410 is not less powerful than a 12.. It just throws less shot. GH

    The 12 goes much farther than the 410.
    The 12gauge throws a denser pattern at more distance than a .410 because it has more shot.

    If you look at the 12gauge and .410 velocities, using Federal shells as an example, you find that most of the time the 12 and the .410 are very close to each other in velocity.

    A pellet of 8 shot leaving the muzzle at 1300fps doesn't know whether it was fired from a 12 gauge or a .410.

    12 gauge has denser pattern at range because of more shot, but the pellets strike at the same velocity.

    You guys are kind of playing word games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PA PATRIOT View Post
    What exactly does he need to dispatch and at what range?
    x2 Based on the OP, it sounds like birds, but it is too difficult to tell. If you just want to keep birds away, there are some non-firearm options available (noise makers, and what-not).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PA PATRIOT View Post
    What exactly does he need to dispatch and at what range?
    YES! In WV, many buy .22 rifles and load them with bird shot; and their snake gun, too. But large pests would require more power, too.

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