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    Question MERGED: Last lead smelter to shutdown in DEC

    Just wait until next year. The conspiracy minded portion of my noodle is telling me that this is happening to restrict ammunition sales and it's being disguised as something for the global warming crowd. Your government may not ban guns but if you can't get any ammo for them they really aren't much good are they? Regardless, this will restrict ammunition production and negatively affect costs no matter the outcome.
    In December, the final primary lead smelter in the United States will close. The lead smelter, located in Herculaneum, Missouri, and owned and operated by the Doe Run Company, has existed in the same location since 1892.

    The Herculaneum smelter is currently the only smelter in the United States which can produce lead bullion from raw lead ore that is mined nearby in Missouri's extensive lead deposits, giving the smelter its "primary" designation. The lead bullion produced in Herculaneum is then sold to lead product producers, including ammunition manufactures for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles, projectile cores, and primers. Several "secondary" smelters, where lead is recycled from products such as lead acid batteries or spent ammunition components, still operate in the United States.

    Doe Run made significant efforts to reduce lead emissions from the smelter, but in 2008 the federal Environmental Protection Agency issued new National Ambient Air Quality Standards for lead that were 10 times tighter than the previous standard. Given the new lead air quality standard, Doe Run made the decision to close the Herculaneum smelter...

    Just this month, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a bill that will ban lead ammunition for all hunting in California. The Center for Biological Diversity has tried multiple times to get similar regulations at the federal level by trying, and repeatedly failing, to get the EPA to regulate conventional ammunition under the Toxic Substances Control Act.
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    This really sucks. Time to put new builds on semi permanent hold and divert all funds to stockpile a mountain of projectiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airhasz View Post
    This really sucks. Time to put new builds on semi permanent hold and divert all funds to stockpile a mountain of projectiles.
    No rocks for your slingshot makes it kinda useless...
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    Already ordered a bit more of my most used bullet calibers. Probably will continue inching up inventory for a while, just in case, while there are supplies available for what I prefer.

    Your government may not ban guns but if you can't get any ammo for them they really aren't much good are they?
    The gun banners have been yapping about trying limit ammo for some time. Look at California for work in progress. Every few years my comfort level for component inventory gets ratcheted up by political wrangling. I have now about 20 times what I used to keep on hand 18 years ago (which was minimal). Going to have to build an underground magazine here pretty soon if the political climate keeps going the way it has!
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    Not good, looks like all funds will be going to reloading now. Factory ammo? I haven't shot any since last year before Sandy Hook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWPilgrim View Post
    The gun banners have been yapping about trying limit ammo for some time. Look at California for work in progress.
    New York's in a race with them...
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    This is sure not going to help with the replenishment of my .22 supply.

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    Soon lead will be on par with gold prices...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousStudent View Post
    This is sure not going to help with the replenishment of my .22 supply.
    Bad news bears... The antis are playing chess and most gun owners still haven't opened their box of checkers they got from Santa a few years ago.
    Quote Originally Posted by Airhasz View Post
    Soon lead will be on par with gold prices...
    If what's printed in that article is legit you may be on to something. Maybe not gold high, but prices will soar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post
    Bad news bears... The antis are playing chess and most gun owners still haven't opened their box of checkers they got from Santa a few years ago.

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    Exactly. And with the lead ammo legislation they signed in California, this hurts them even more.

    That's one of the things that has always scared me - being regulated out of existence. Any shooting range becomes a EPA-managed toxic waste site, and the owners forced into bankruptcy.

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    I live near the plant and they have been trying to shut it down for years. Been lots of law suits regarding contamination and side effects of the plant in relation to the people who live nearby. Dont know what our sheriff office is going to do with all pistols we dont need after the case has gone to court. They would throw the guns in the smeltor instead of sell them. Some very fine pistols have been melted down over the years. I am sure lead will be imported from somewhere elese making us more dependant on other countries once more.

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    Barnes Bullets must be lobbying for this to happen....

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    Back Door Gun Control - Last lead smelter in US closes

    From EPA pressure:
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    Back Door Gun Control Moves Forward
    Submitted by Terresa Monroe-Hamilton on October 29, 2013 – 9:51 am EST
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    By: Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
    Cross-Posted at Right Wing News

    There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here’s one of them. Obama and the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US. They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can’t get ammo, you are out of luck.

    Remember when Obama promised his minions that he was working on gun control behind the scenes? Welcome to it. Now, all domestic mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US. Not only will ammo now be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more. And ponder this… there is an excellent chance that Obama will rig the market to where all ammo has to be purchased from a government entity instituting de facto ammo registration. So much for the Second Amendment. There has not been a peep about this in the major news outlets and it is done. With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China, Australia or Peru, with the overwhelming emphasis on China. More redistribution of wealth; more economic and liberty crippling of the US on tap.
    The asshats at the EPA (evil protection agency) had this to say:
    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the company “made a business decision” to shut down the smelter instead of installing pollution control technologies needed to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as required by the Clean Air Act.
    The Doe Run Co. announced last year that it had dropped plans to build a new lead processing facility in Herculaneum that would have used a new, cleaner lead production technology. The company cited the $100 million project as too financially risky.
    The EPA is playing Mafioso I guess — we didn’t make them shut down, they made a business decision. In other words, they couldn’t pay the extortion, so the thugs shut them down. I’m pretty sure that Americans are getting ready to make their own business decision regarding the Marxists and I don’t think it will be pleasant. But Marxists will do or die and are doubling down on the destruction of energy in America, our way of life and the Constitution.
    The smelting plant has known since 2010 this was coming. They couldn’t stop it and no one else rose up to stop it either. The business had been in production for 120 years and now goes the way of our auto industry.
    The military’s obsession with ammo was related to security and supply. They knew this was coming too, so they bought up all they could get before the plug was pulled. Screw the average American. It’s as Chris Muir said, he’s not as worried about where the bullets will come from, as much as how the government will deliver them and I’m right there with him on that one.
    So, back door gun control is moving forward and while we are all distracted with shiny stuff, our Second Amendment rights are just about gone. Obama is one Marxist dictator who is savvy at political chess. He has flanked the Second Amendment. Now it’s our move.

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    http://sierrabullets.wordpress.com/2...ierra-bullets/

    We have had many customers contact us about the closing of the last primary lead smelting facility in the USA. This facility is operated by Doe Run and is located in Herculaneum, MO and is just about a 3 hour drive from our facility in Sedalia, MO.

    The main question asked is “Will this shut down your supply of lead.” The answer to that is no. First, Sierra buys lead from several different vendors to maintain constant supply. Second, this facility only smelts primary lead or lead ore. This is lead ore that has just been brought out of the earth. Sierra uses no primary lead at all and never has, so we use nothing directly from this facility. The lead we buy from Doe Run comes from their recycling facility in Boss, MO that is about 90 miles away from the smelter that is closing.
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    Plenty of smelters in Canada that will sell us lead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Metal View Post
    Plenty of smelters in Canada that will sell us lead.
    To me it's the principle.

    This administration makes a huge deal about jobs and keeping the economy on track and yet unleashes the EPA any chance they get to shut down industries like coal and now the only lead processing facility in the United States.

    Not as much about gun control as it is killing jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand58742 View Post
    Not as much about gun control as it is killing jobs.
    Who says we will be allowed to import lead in the future?

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    Not to mention the fact that eric holder/DOJ is making a case that states international treaties trumps US Law and the Constitution for gun control...

    http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/20...n-2565142.html

    Justice Department attorneys are advancing an argument at the Supreme Court that could allow the government to invoke international treaties as a legal basis for policies such as gun control that conflict with the U.S. Constitution, according to Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

    Their argument is that a law implementing an international treaty signed by the U.S. allows the federal government to prosecute a criminal case that would normally be handled by state or local authorities.

    That is a dangerous argument, according to Cruz.

    “The Constitution created a limited federal government with only specific enumerated powers,” Cruz told the Washington Examiner prior to giving a speech on the issue today at the Heritage Foundation.

    “The Supreme Court should not interpret the treaty power in a manner that undermines this bedrock protection of individual liberty,” Cruz said.

    In his speech, Cruz said the Justice Department is arguing “an absurd proposition” that “could be used as a backdoor way to undermine” Second Amendment rights, among other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerinTPA View Post
    Not to mention the fact that eric holder/DOJ is making a case that states international treaties trumps US Law and the Constitution for gun control...

    http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/20...n-2565142.html
    This shouldn't surprise anyone. I mean, who in this administration would want that pesky US Constitution thing to get in the way of an agenda?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand58742 View Post
    This shouldn't surprise anyone. I mean, who in this administration would want that pesky US Constitution thing to get in the way of an agenda?
    The BIGGEST lie...


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