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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc. Holiday View Post
    Cool, 16''.
    Yeah, then you should experience a marked improvement by going to the AFAB. As barrel length decreases, the concussion of any device increases.

    Just shooting an A2 on a 10.5" barrel can be brutal. Put a brake on that barrel and, DAMN. So, you get the picture.
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    Awesome. Yea my buddies who are spotting me are tired of getting whacked. And when they sit behind me they are complaining about how loud the thing is so I've been slowly shopping for awhile doing my homework trying to find what is best to help with recoil and muzzle climb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc. Holiday View Post
    Awesome. Yea my buddies who are spotting me are tired of getting whacked. And when they sit behind me they are complaining about how loud the thing is so I've been slowly shopping for awhile doing my homework trying to find what is best to help with recoil and muzzle climb.
    This would be an improvement, no doubt. If you can settle for a device that has no recoil mitigation, the PWS Triad seems to be a good comp that is decent at keeping the muzzle down.

    I NEVER operate in a stacked setup. I'm a solo patrol deputy so I'm either alone or maybe in a pair or trio of deputies as we respond to a critical incident. If you're on a tactical team, then it's possible that ANY muzzle device that is designed to reduce recoil isn't for you. However, much to many forum member's chagrin, VERY few members here have to function in a true tactical "team" environment.

    So, in reality, the only common situations these brakes suck is either in a class environment or inside an enclosed structure without earpro. For classes, I'm about to say something that is unpopular: f^ck my buddies that are on he line next to me. I don't go out of my way to annoy them, but I don't go to classes to train for classes...I go to classes to train for REAL LIFE...which, for me, is me functioning ALONE in a hostile environment the vast majority of the time. I have been next to several people who were using ported brakes and instead of whining, I doubled my ear-pro and trained-on. There's no guarantee that my opponent's muzzle report will be any quieter.

    I think that a device that helps me deliver faster follow-up hits on target gives me a tactical advantage that I am (personally) willing to accept in trade for a reasonable level of additional muzzle blast and a little more flash (only a little) as compared to an A2. That is a personal decision that I have made. But, I have heard too many people make blanket statements (in various different threads, on this forum and others) about muzzle brakes in a "self defense environment" as being the "wrong" choice.

    Now, obviously, this is an intensely personal decision and there may be people who simply find most muzzle brakes/comps to be unpalatable or who do actually function on a team. That is fine...but I don't like to dissuade somebody from TRYING some of these hybrid devices. Most of my buddies in patrol now run some type of hybrid device on their patrol carbines. These are some of the devices that they use on patrol: PWS FSC556, BC series, RA XTC comp, GA M4SD-II Flash Comp, AAC BrakeOut 51T, BCM Comp, PWS Triad, LanTac Dragon, SF MB556K brake, Troy Claymore, YHM 5C2, etc.

    The guys whom I encounter that are running A2's quickly transition from those to SOMETHING else. I said all that to say that I encourage people to experiment with quality muzzle devices. It's great that we have so many choices and each person will and SHOULD develop their personal preferences according their situation and needs. There will never be a one-size-fits-all muzzle device, including the AFAB.

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    Cool, thanks for the time you put into everything to help everyone out including myself!

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    BTJ - thank you for the review and feedback, makes me feel good to be part of M4C!
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    Quote Originally Posted by E-man930 View Post
    BTJ - thank you for the review and feedback, makes me feel good to be part of M4C!
    It's a team effort, but thank you. There are many here who contribute far more than I do. Just a cog in the machine, sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post
    Alright.

    Got my new upper sighted-in with irons and my micro. Smoothest shooting setup I've ever run.

    Used a Vltor A5H4 buffer, wolff RP rifle spring, LMT E-carrier (w/ std LMT bolt), and a Rainier Arms Mountain Series 18" barrel with rifle length gas system. Rail System is Rainier Evo 15".

    I had nobody to hold the camera for me, so I used one hand to hold the camera (away from the gun) and the other to shoot. I had a BFG VCAS padded sling, but it wasn't much help with one handed shooting.

    Muzzle dip doesn't seem to be a problem....but I wasn't able to evaluate flash since it was very bright out.

    Recoil impulse was softer than a BC...much more like my FSC556 equipped BCM 14.5" middy. However, the side blast and concussion was much reduced from the FSC556 when shooting from under a metal roof. I also shot from prone, but the ground was wet so no info on dust kick-up.

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    Bottom line, I'm VERY pleased so far. Only ran about 90 rounds through it today...but I'm very happy with the performance. More shooting impressions later...I got a hot date for the evening.
    This flash comp has definitely piqued my interest. Thanks for guinea pigging this. There certainly appears to be a heavy KAC influence as evidenced by the outward appearance, looking like a cross between the 3T and the MAMS. I've gone from the Spike's to Griffin Armament and now the MAMS. I'm tempted to grab one to try out on my 11.5" carbine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boba Fett v2 View Post
    This flash comp has definitely piqued my interest. Thanks for guinea pigging this. There certainly appears to be a heavy KAC influence as evidenced by the outward appearance, looking like a cross between the 3T and the MAMS. I've gone from the Spike's to Griffin Armament and now the MAMS. I'm tempted to grab one to try out on my 11.5" carbine.
    KAC has some serious R&D to aid in the creation of their products. I wouldn't expect the AFAB to outperform a MAMS. I would be VERY impressed if it just came close to matching it in all aspects.

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    You're making this very hard for me to keep pretending I don't want to pick one of these up to try. I'm looking forward to a review after some more rounds for sure. Thanks for guinea pigging this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post
    KAC has some serious R&D to aid in the creation of their products. I wouldn't expect the AFAB to outperform a MAMS. I would be VERY impressed if it just came close to matching it in all aspects.

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    I've got one inbound. If I could find someone in the DFW area with the KAC to do a side that would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philcam View Post
    I've got one inbound. If I could find someone in the DFW area with the KAC to do a side that would be great.
    Now we're talking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by philcam View Post
    I've got one inbound. If I could find someone in the DFW area with the KAC to do a side that would be great.
    Man I know I would be very interested in that review!
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    Slightly off-topic, but Andrew T. just published part 3 of his muzzle device testing series.

    My "reference" FSC556 fared VERY well in every aspect, despite being the first true hybrid device. So, my comparisons between the AFAB and the FSC556 should still prove to be quite relevant.

    http://vuurwapenblog.com/2014/01/09/...arison-part-3/
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    Quote Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post
    Slightly off-topic, but Andrew T. just published part 3 of his muzzle device testing series.

    My "reference" FSC556 fared VERY well in every aspect, despite being the first true hybrid device. So, my comparisons between the AFAB and the FSC556 should still prove to be quite relevant.

    http://vuurwapenblog.com/2014/01/09/...arison-part-3/
    Man I wish those guys could test a MAMS and an SF SOCOM brake. Thanks for the link BTJ.

    This is great somebody's attempting to do some actual scientific measurement with these things.

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    I've been fallowing all of his muzzle device tests and I gotta say, It looks like the Battle Comp is not worth the $150 price when devices costing nearly half that perform better. It's just all hype in my opinion.

    I've always been interested in the FSC556 but I've heard it can be quite concussive. I am very interested in the AFAB and hope to see a few more detailed reviews before dropping $100 on one. Please keep us updated if you come across any other reviews of the AFAB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obscenejesster View Post
    I've been fallowing all of his muzzle device tests and I gotta say, It looks like the Battle Comp is not worth the $150 price when devices costing nearly half that perform better. It's just all hype in my opinion.

    I've always been interested in the FSC556 but I've heard it can be quite concussive. I am very interested in the AFAB and hope to see a few more detailed reviews before dropping $100 on one. Please keep us updated if you come across any other reviews of the AFAB.
    A little history on the BC. It was modeled after the KAC 3T. It costs 1/3 the price for pretty much the same performance. That is long before any of the BC copies started showing up for $80. The BC is not hype. I have used a bunch of the MDs in that test, and while some line up, others, like the BC, do not. I used to run the FSC556s and found them to be extremely concussive - like open-brake concussive. I tried the BCs out and after many back to back tests on multiple rifles/barrel lengths, found the BCs to be much less concussive than the FSC556s. A very repeatable, substantial difference.
    That has me questioning their data on those 2 comps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmzy View Post
    A little history on the BC. It was modeled after the KAC 3T. It costs 1/3 the price for pretty much the same performance. That is long before any of the BC copies started showing up for $80. The BC is not hype. I have used a bunch of the MDs in that test, and while some line up, others, like the BC, do not. I used to run the FSC556s and found them to be extremely concussive - like open-brake concussive. I tried the BCs out and after many back to back tests on multiple rifles/barrel lengths, found the BCs to be much less concussive than the FSC556s. A very repeatable, substantial difference.
    That has me questioning their data on those 2 comps.
    I believe that the FSC556 is louder that the BC.

    I don't think that data mentioned anything about the concussion from either of those comps. It was just showing the muzzle tendency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmzy View Post
    A little history on the BC. It was modeled after the KAC 3T. It costs 1/3 the price for pretty much the same performance. That is long before any of the BC copies started showing up for $80. The BC is not hype. I have used a bunch of the MDs in that test, and while some line up, others, like the BC, do not. I used to run the FSC556s and found them to be extremely concussive - like open-brake concussive. I tried the BCs out and after many back to back tests on multiple rifles/barrel lengths, found the BCs to be much less concussive than the FSC556s. A very repeatable, substantial difference.
    That has me questioning their data on those 2 comps.
    See, my experience has been different regarding the BC series. I've never been a fan and have always found that they created a sharp recoil pulse, in addition to muzzle dip. Further, I have had several people with BC's on their 16" AR's eval the FSC556 on my 14.5" barrel and, unless they are shooting under a low awning or inside of a small structure (i.e. a shoothouse), they have remarked that the FSC556 and BC have similar blast for the shooter. This has been my experience as well.

    I have shot many different types of chambered and ported brakes up to and including the Bennie Cooley Comp, JP space brake, Rolling Thunder Brake, Bushmaster Y-comp, et al......those were cannons. The FSC has never felt much more than an A2 to me while running the gun.

    But most of my shooting is not inside of a shooting stall...it's on a police range with no benches, stalls, or roofs. Just me standing at whatever distance to the target I choose. So, for somebody who shoots in a stall regularly, I guess the BC could have some allure there.

    Also, the additional recoil reduction of the FSC always afforded me less rifle movement when shooting from unorthodox positions or when off balance. The AFAB seems to replicate this quality.

    As far as getting bullets on target quickly with moderate blast and very little flash, the FSC continues to be at the front of the pack. I haven't seen a BC that isn't a flamethrower (more like a flame-ring thrower) at dusk or night. My FSC only has a gentle glow and is very similar to an A2 (also as demonstrated by Vuurwapen tests).

    That's my $.02. I don't think the BC is a bad product...but I don't think it ever lived up to its hype. When it debuted, it was also heavily billed as a flash reducer....it is not. It was an evolution...but it has been eclipsed by cheaper (and, in the case of the GA M4SD-II, stronger) comps that don't induce muzzle dip and don't amplify flash as much. I say this as a guy who's run several hundred rounds through guns with BC's. I never flt tempted to shell out for one....but that's just me.
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    Ordered the AFAB + accuwasher kit from Rainier, should have it next week. I have a M4SD-II I can compare it to, hopefully I can sneak out soon if work/weather cooperates.

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    I also think the BC was a good evolution in muzzle devices but had areas that could be improved, which other companies did. From my experience I wasn't a fan of the muzzle dip and recoil impulse. The FSC to be the original hybrid is still in my opinion one of the best, for the shooter the blast isn't bad and flash reduction is good. I personally think that Griffin improved on the BC with the M4SD-II Flash Comp. Flash reduction is a little better and muzzle stays flat, and a lot cheaper than the BC. I have no experience with the KAC MAMS simply because I can't afford one. I have an AFAB being pinned and welded at Rainier Arms to my BCM BFH 14.5" middy. Thanks BufordTJustice for the review, I was in the market for a muzzle device to finish this build.

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