Best .22 Upper?

[Nathan_Bell]

Looking for a 22 upper, I want to be able to outfit it into as close a set up as my M-4gery. Rail, VFG, light, etc.

So, here are the criterea I have come up with, if anyone knows of something I am missing, or who makes the best, help appreciated.

1. Reliable
2. Correct Rifling for 22 LR
3. Abiltity to hang junk on it.
4. Easily acquired magazines.
5. Easily maintaned magazines.
6. Spare parts avaiablitly.

[Bulldog1967]

I just received a CV-22 upper that is VERY well built.

Haven't shot it yet but it has had great reviews so far and was economical compared to the KKF/Ceiner upper.

For what YOU want to do however, you may want to consider the KKF one as it looks identical to an M4 upper.

[Submariner]

We have three Kuehl M4 .22LR flattop uppers, two bought new and a third used from EE. They use Ciener conversions (http://www.22lrconversions.com/) with the chamber insert removed so when a round is chambered, it is at the rifling. It also uses Ciener 10- and 30- round mags. The 16" match-grade barrel has an M4 notch but is a heavy barrel under the handguards. They are CNC machined from top quality 4140 steel blanks in a 1-16" twist for optimum performance with 40 grain .22LR projectiles.

Kept clean (.22LR is very dirty) and lubed (SLIP 2000), they will run like sewing machines. Rick Kuehl (http://www.kuehlprecisionfirearms.com/) is great to work with on building and answering questions on which parts to keep as spares. Both he and Ciener have parts. My experience with JAC was positive when I bought additional 30-round mags.

The two we use primarily for training have KAC RAS's installed for VFG's and lights, when appropriate, and Aimpoint M2's residing on the flat top receiver on LaRue Mounts (just like our M4geries).



Probably 80% of our work-up before our last carbine class with Pat was with these uppers. NOTE: PUSH/PULL is the only way to go with Ciener mags; otherwise, you will impale your support hand if you slap it. They do not, however, work well as monopods (feed issues.) The 30-round mags, when bought in quantities of three or more, are $50 each. (H&K mags are pricey, too.)

Here is a pic of Number Three Son (age 8) who started shooting on Labor Day. I'm glad I kept the 10-rounders that came with the used upper. VFG is a monopod on a portion of a rolled back shooting mat left over from high power days. (Harv, my yellow glasses broke when I met Pat. )



Note the 25 meter M68 zeroing target in the PDT target (until we can get some EAG targets). He is learning that the red dot goes where you want to hit, here, the center of two concentric circles. Sight picture; Press; Sight picture. Mastering irons comes once he learns to shoot.



Last week I bought 4950 rounds of Federal .22LR from local WalMart for $85.00. I can't buy 5000 decent primers for that. The new uppers paid for themselves in 3500 rounds (7,000 total) back when ammo was much cheaper.

[VA_Dinger]

With ammo prices going from bad to worse owning a .22 upper for range work is sounding like a great idea.

[Submariner]

With ammo prices going from bad to worse owning a .22 upper for range work is sounding like a great idea.

It is also easier than reloading (which is also necessary these days; I am seriously considering getting out of 7.62mm: 43 grains of W748 v. 26 for 5.56mm.)

I avoided the AK bug and reasoned that these would suit our purposes better. We still have five children who have to learn to fight with a carbine. Nathan (18) was high shooter at Pat's second Boone County class and Emily (20) outshot me for the first time this year. These helped them to sustain skills developed in earlier classes.

[rob_s]

I've been happy with my DPMS .22 upper so far (and I typically can't stand anything DPMS) but they aren't currently producing them, have put off the 30 round mags several months, and there doesn't appear to be much in the way of support for them.

[ech01]

Looking for a 22 upper, I want to be able to outfit it into as close a set up as my M-4gery. Rail, VFG, light, etc.

So, here are the criterea I have come up with, if anyone knows of something I am missing, or who makes the best, help appreciated.

1. Reliable
2. Correct Rifling for 22 LR
3. Abiltity to hang junk on it.
4. Easily acquired magazines.
5. Easily maintaned magazines.
6. Spare parts avaiablitly.

I know this is a little late considering we're already on page two.. but incase you're still looking...

1.) http://youtube.com/profile?user=Ech01SpikesTactical <-- 14/23 videos are of our 22 full auto with Black dog Mags

2.) A3 flat top with 16" 1x16 twist chrome moly barrel

3.) We carry the rails that you would need. You could essentially build a complete rifle when you order it. And we will normally give you a pretty good price for a complete rifle to your liking.

4.) We have ordered 500 Black Dog Full Body Mags (with our own logos on them)

5.) Check out all the posts on the Black Dog Mags

6.) Spike's Tactical Machine Shop is a AR15 nirvana =)


This is Spike's personal FA 22LR AR15...
(thats our new Havoc 37mm...its been finalized in Black.)

Respectively, I am sure that all the kind gentlenmen and ladies whom are dealers on this website also have alot to offer. This is just my opinion that we have a perfect fit for all of your necessities on building your 22. Good luck fellow 22 fanatic!