Hilton Yam's path away from the 1911

[MountainRaven]

It is funny that you say this. I was just at Pannones Vehicle ops class. At one part of the class, you had to fire somewhere around 8-10 shots through the front windshield in order to create a hole through the glass and get hits on target. With a single stack weapon (7-8rds) you would be empty and need to do an E-reload (while inside your car and in the middle of a gunfight).

In this situation, you'd pretty much be boned with either of this forum's other two favorite 45s (the M&P45 and the HK45/HK45C). Or if you lived in - or were passing through or visiting - a ban state or in the event of a hypothetical no-grandfather AWB or magazine ban.

And that right there, aside from the price for the ticket, is the real downside to the 1911. Magazine capacity. It well and truly sucks compared with a P30 or G17.

Perhaps the solution is to carry a 1911 but have a G17 or P30 (or other similar pistol) as a "truck gun".

Although frankly, if I were in a situation where I had to shoot through my front windshield to make a window to shoot through... I think I'd want something like an 8" bbl 300BLK... or an MP5K.

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

Sounds like a .357 SIG Glock with +2 baseplates for this kind of work. And earplugs.

[blriehl]

Was just thinking about my 226 in 357.

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[MountainRaven]

Sounds like a .357 SIG Glock with +2 baseplates for this kind of work. And earplugs.

I'd think the 22-round G22 mags would be a better option. Or do they not work well with the 357?

OT: Damn you all! I started carrying my Nighthawk again. More comfortable and more concealable than my G17. Both carried IWB in a Comp-Tac Minotaur. And the NHC has the one-price MSH with extended, beveled mag well. (G17 will still get to ride shotgun in the car, though. Maybe I'll load up one of my mags with a TTI extension....)

[C4IGrant]

In this situation, you'd pretty much be boned with either of this forum's other two favorite 45s (the M&P45 and the HK45/HK45C). Or if you lived in - or were passing through or visiting - a ban state or in the event of a hypothetical no-grandfather AWB or magazine ban.



Perhaps the solution is to carry a 1911 but have a G17 or P30 (or other similar pistol) as a "truck gun".

Although frankly, if I were in a situation where I had to shoot through my front windshield to make a window to shoot through... I think I'd want something like an 8" bbl 300BLK... or an MP5K.

10rds would be slightly better, but still at a disadvantage.

It is LOUD in the car with a HG. It is BREATHTAKING in a car with an SBR. You would be deaf for sure.


C4

[MountainRaven]

10rds would be slightly better, but still at a disadvantage.

It is LOUD in the car with a HG. It is BREATHTAKING in a car with an SBR. You would be deaf for sure.


C4

I think they make a can for that.

[C4IGrant]

I think they make a can for that.

A 10.5" SBR with a SF can is nearly 16 inches. This is pretty difficult to maneuver in the vehicle (which is what I ran).



C4

[Hunter Rose]

It is funny that you say this. I was just at Pannones Vehicle ops class. At one part of the class, you had to fire somewhere around 8-10 shots through the front windshield in order to create a hole through the glass and get hits on target. With a single stack weapon (7-8rds) you would be empty and need to do an E-reload (while inside your car and in the middle of a gunfight).

Note; there were 17 students in this class. No 1911's present.



C4

So why not just open the door and get out of the car? Then you'd have 9 rounds in the 1911 to sling at the bad guy.

Seems that whould be preferred to sitting stationary, not moving, while blasting away. What happens after you've shot your 8-10 rds creating a hole to shoot through the windshield, then the bad guy steps three feet to the right out of your hole's line of sight? Start over again and create a new hole?

[C4IGrant]

So why not just open the door and get out of the car? Then you'd have 9 rounds in the 1911 to sling at the bad guy.

Seems that whould be preferred to sitting stationary, not moving, while blasting away. What happens after you've shot your 8-10 rds creating a hole to shoot through the windshield, then the bad guy steps three feet to the right out of your hole's line of sight? Start over again and create a new hole?

In some instances, that IS what you do. In other instances, no.

I suggest you take the class so you can better learn what to do.



C4

[givo08]

In what non-warzone environment would it be a good idea to shoot a hole through a windshield in order to create a shooting lane toward a target? First of all, you are liable for every round that comes out of your pistol. Shooting blindly into a windshield to create a hole is completely irresponsible. Second, if you have to shoot a threat through a windshield, whether shooting into or out of a vehicle, modern service ammo does a fine job of doing his while still retaining the ability to hit a soft target and penetrate 12-18" with some Jhp expansion. You dont have to shoot a hole out in order to get good terminal ballistic performance. If you have time to sit in the car and shoot a hole out of the windshield, you should be un-assing the car and finding some real hard cover.