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    The folks who read this post before getting their first AR will be a lot happier, & more satisfied, if they actually shoot it more than a few rounds, than I was when I got my first & actually shot it a bit, but you don't know what you don't know.

    Hopefully you've helped some people out.

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    I didn't see anything listed about BUIS. I'm thinking that when you posted, you figured that BUIS would be included with the rifle?

    Anyways, I think you'd be set to get a good set of flip ups. Not sure what all you guys approve, but I'd say that Troy or DD would be a good start?
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    What about these ARs?

    Spikes Tactical
    CORE15
    Windham Weaponry
    Palmetto State Armory
    Del-Ton
    Anvil Arms
    and there are others that do not come to mind right now.

    As for ammo, XM193 and M855 will still be extremely effective and it is plentiful. Remember, NATO switched from the 55gr FMJ to the 62gr. FMJ because the 55gr. was not performing as well as it should in combat. The M855/SS109 is now the standard 5.56mm NATO ammo. Personally, I could care less about how frangible a particular ammo was. My goal would be to put the first round where I want it. If by chance I did not hit my mark, I can always put a couple more rounds on target. I guarantee you, if I put a couple rounds of XM193 into you, you will be in a world of hurt, if not dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade04 View Post
    What about these ARs?

    Spikes Tactical
    CORE15
    Windham Weaponry
    Palmetto State Armory
    Del-Ton
    Anvil Arms
    and there are others that do not come to mind right now.

    As for ammo, XM193 and M855 will still be extremely effective and it is plentiful. Remember, NATO switched from the 55gr FMJ to the 62gr. FMJ because the 55gr. was not performing as well as it should in combat. The M855/SS109 is now the standard 5.56mm NATO ammo. Personally, I could care less about how frangible a particular ammo was. My goal would be to put the first round where I want it. If by chance I did not hit my mark, I can always put a couple more rounds on target. I guarantee you, if I put a couple rounds of XM193 into you, you will be in a world of hurt, if not dead.
    Those brands will start to self destruct under repeated heavy use. If your a plink from a bench kinda guy, this should get the job done.
    'Evil Minds That Plot Destruction'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airhasz View Post
    Those brands will start to self destruct under repeated heavy use. If your a plink from a bench kinda guy, this should get the job done.
    I figured this was the response I was going to get. Some of you guys are so predictable.
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    That's because for the most part it's true. Had a buddy of mine decide to buy a DPMS... I tried to steer him towards the better rifles but he wanted to save a few bucks... His quad rail was so out of spec he had to beat it on with a rubber Mallot. With the low prices currently out there none custom not to pick up a proven carbine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade04 View Post
    I figured this was the response I was going to get. Some of you guys are so predictable.
    Thanks. If you predict I run quality gear, then you would be correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade04 View Post
    As for ammo, XM193 and M855 will still be extremely effective and it is plentiful. Remember, NATO switched from the 55gr FMJ to the 62gr. FMJ because the 55gr. was not performing as well as it should in combat. The M855/SS109 is now the standard 5.56mm NATO ammo. Personally, I could care less about how frangible a particular ammo was. My goal would be to put the first round where I want it. If by chance I did not hit my mark, I can always put a couple more rounds on target. I guarantee you, if I put a couple rounds of XM193 into you, you will be in a world of hurt, if not dead.
    While SS109 may be the current NATO standard, there are several other, far better rounds in use by any unit or group that can get away with it. Mk262, Mk318, Brown Tip, etc. Both M193 and M855 are limited in effectiveness, and even Big Army is moving away from using M855 as a combat round in favor of the completely different M855A1 round. For anything you plan on using for self defense, it behooves you to invest in quality ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-17 View Post
    While SS109 may be the current NATO standard, there are several other, far better rounds in use by any unit or group that can get away with it. Mk262, Mk318, Brown Tip, etc. Both M193 and M855 are limited in effectiveness, and even Big Army is moving away from using M855 as a combat round in favor of the completely different M855A1 round. For anything you plan on using for self defense, it behooves you to invest in quality ammo.
    I will point out that the average joe on the street is going to be able to buy XM193 and M855 ammo very easily and in large quantities. Mk262 is expensive and it not always in stock. As civilians, we are not able to acquire some of the ammo the military uses. Also, in a lot of states, it is illegal to buy and possess AP ammo. Fortunately, I have been stocking up on 55gr. FMJ and 62 fr. FMJ for 10 years now and I have a very substantial supply. I first started shooting the M16A1 back in 1978 using M193 55 gr. FMJBT ammo. It worked well back then, but it had its limitations. It is still a nasty round on personnel, but does not fair well against hardened targets and vehicles. For shorter distances (500M and less), the XM193 and M855 are fine, but any further out, you want the Mk262. I have some of these just for my Mk12 Mod 0. If I want to be really effective, I will use my Mk11 Mod 0.

    Just remember, civilians are not going into combat, but that would not exclude them from having a good quality AR that they can depend on. That does not mean they have to spend $1000 or more for a good AR. I have my share of well built and high quality ARs and I have some that are well performing and good quality. I would defend my life and my loved ones with any of them.



    I also just added a Colt M4 Carbine (LE6920). That gives me two Colt LE6920s (one from 2008 and one from 2013) in my collection.
    Last edited by Renegade04; 10-21-14 at 15:44.
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