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    Wow! PR! What are the gun laws in Puerto Rico?

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    Hello from Puerto Rico

    Puerto Rico is a very anti-gun territory. It is very restrictive in terms of licensing. You have to get a firearms license before you buy a gun, the firearms license costs about 400 dollars, and requires a lot hoops to jump through (for the sole purpose of discouraging you from getting one) and a 4 month waiting period. The license is good for 5 years and the only thing you can do is buy guns, ammo and shoot recreationally. If you want to get a concealed carry permit, that's another 1,000 dollars (yes, a thousand) and you have to go to the same process as the firearms license with the adition of a court hearing were you have to prove to a judge why you need a concealed carry permit and a state attorney does whatever it can from allowing you to have a concealed carry permit. You cannot have a concealed carry permit withou having a valid firearms license, which brings your total to $1,400 without even firing a single round. Then you have to buy a gun, prices are about the same a US plus the 11.5% sales tax. Ammo is more expensive than in the states. Every gun is registered to your name and license number in an electronic database by the Puerto Rico Police Department. Every time you buy a new gun is exactly the same as buying a gun in the states, we fill out the ATF form, but when you get the proceed, the gun is registered to your name at the local police database. Every time you sell a gun you have to go to a gun store and pay a transfer fee. You cannot purchase ammo of a caliber that your registered guns cannot shoot. Guns can be lended from license holder to license holder, but If I don't own guns of the same caliber of the gun that was lended to me, I cannot buy ammo for it. In terms of the type of guns you can own, you cannot own automatic weapons, silencers or suppressors except for LEOs. There is no magazine capacity ban, SBRs are allowed without any tax, short barrel shotguns are not. You can have an AR receiver registered as a rifle or as a pistol. If it's registered as a pistol you can carry it (CCW permit required), if you put a stock in it you cannot carry it, but you can still own it and use it at the range. Our gun shops have FFL lincenses and we can buy guns online through an FFL transfer, but the FFL transfer fees are astronomical and vary from $75 to $200 depending on the gun shop. It is very costly owning guns in PR to say the least.

    The way gun laws are in Puerto Rico is the dream of every gun control idiot in the US. We have:
    -Background checks
    -Gun registration
    -Citizen profiling
    -Government knowledge of every gun owner's name, address, social security number, fingerprints, pictures, description and place of tattoos and birthmarks.
    -Government knowledge of the amount of guns and ammo owned, every manufacturer, caliber, model, serial number, etc.

    And still, 98% of crimes committed with guns are committed with ILEGAL guns. The other two percent are legal guns that were stolen, or accidents that are not supposed to be in statistics like crimes. How can that be? (Sarcasm) We are living proof that gun control DOES NOT WORK, criminals are still getting guns because criminals don't obey laws. Why make it so hard for the law abiding citizen?
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    Hello from Puerto Rico

    ...And if you defend yourself you're in a lot of trouble. There is no castle concept, so if an intruder invades your home, you have to be certain he is armed before shooting. If you shoot an unarmed criminal in your home, you loose your gun privileges and will be charged of manslaughter and almost certain going to jail. Now, if the criminal IS armed and you kill him, criminal charges will also be pressed against you, but if you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that you acted in self defense, you walk away a free man with all your gun privileges restored. But incredibly, the criminal's family can sue you in the personal level. So, if that situation happens to you (God forbid), you will have to spend a lot of money to get out of it. Also if you shoot an armed robber, but you don't kill him, you incapacitate him and he becomes handicapped, he can sue you. And if/when he wins, you have to pay him support for the rest of his life. We have the most stupid gun/criminal laws, and the criminals know it. That's why our criminality rates are soaring. Fortunately there is a class civil action on local courts demanding a reform of gun and criminal laws regarding guns. So far it's going very good, it will take a long time but we will have gun rights and not privileges as we do now.
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    That is very interesting and a very sad report, sir. Looks like your laws are not any different from what we have in the word capital of liberalism, the New York City.

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    Yes indeed, but our hope resides in the class act against the government. One judge already declared a lot of articles of the gun law as inconstitutional, and that it deprived Puertorricans, as US citizens, of second ammendment rights. Obviously, the government appealed the decision. This will take long, but there is hope and we will succeed!
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    Hello and welcome from Indiana! I am sad for your trouble there with gun ownership. It's so stupid.
    Good night Chesty...wherever you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolivanra View Post
    Puerto Rico is a very anti-gun territory. It is very restrictive in terms of licensing. You have to get a firearms license before you buy a gun, the firearms license costs about 400 dollars, and requires a lot hoops to jump through (for the sole purpose of discouraging you from getting one) and a 4 month waiting period. The license is good for 5 years and the only thing you can do is buy guns, ammo and shoot recreationally. If you want to get a concealed carry permit, that's another 1,000 dollars (yes, a thousand) and you have to go to the same process as the firearms license with the adition of a court hearing were you have to prove to a judge why you need a concealed carry permit and a state attorney does whatever it can from allowing you to have a concealed carry permit. You cannot have a concealed carry permit withou having a valid firearms license, which brings your total to $1,400 without even firing a single round. Then you have to buy a gun, prices are about the same a US plus the 11.5% sales tax. Ammo is more expensive than in the states. Every gun is registered to your name and license number in an electronic database by the Puerto Rico Police Department. Every time you buy a new gun is exactly the same as buying a gun in the states, we fill out the ATF form, but when you get the proceed, the gun is registered to your name at the local police database. Every time you sell a gun you have to go to a gun store and pay a transfer fee. You cannot purchase ammo of a caliber that your registered guns cannot shoot. Guns can be lended from license holder to license holder, but If I don't own guns of the same caliber of the gun that was lended to me, I cannot buy ammo for it. In terms of the type of guns you can own, you cannot own automatic weapons, silencers or suppressors except for LEOs. There is no magazine capacity ban, SBRs are allowed without any tax, short barrel shotguns are not. You can have an AR receiver registered as a rifle or as a pistol. If it's registered as a pistol you can carry it (CCW permit required), if you put a stock in it you cannot carry it, but you can still own it and use it at the range. Our gun shops have FFL lincenses and we can buy guns online through an FFL transfer, but the FFL transfer fees are astronomical and vary from $75 to $200 depending on the gun shop. It is very costly owning guns in PR to say the least.

    The way gun laws are in Puerto Rico is the dream of every gun control idiot in the US. We have:
    -Background checks
    -Gun registration
    -Citizen profiling
    -Government knowledge of every gun owner's name, address, social security number, fingerprints, pictures, description and place of tattoos and birthmarks.
    -Government knowledge of the amount of guns and ammo owned, every manufacturer, caliber, model, serial number, etc.

    And still, 98% of crimes committed with guns are committed with ILEGAL guns. The other two percent are legal guns that were stolen, or accidents that are not supposed to be in statistics like crimes. How can that be? (Sarcasm) We are living proof that gun control DOES NOT WORK, criminals are still getting guns because criminals don't obey laws. Why make it so hard for the law abiding citizen?
    Same here in Brazil friend!!! Its very very hard for a civilian own a gun, however most of crime are committed with ilegal guns too. Not just ilegal, but the result of a smuggling. Guns like AR, AK, 5.56, 7.62, and even RPG on criminals hands; and civilians can not take a little pistol in .380 ACP.

    I think we can summarize that criminals just don't obey laws, as you said.

    Big cheers from Brazil.

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    welcome

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