So The SIG P227 Is Still Gonna Be A POS Right...?

[Austin Millbarge]

Put 200 rounds through my 227 Carry SAS. Love it, shoots great and functions 100%.

I also put almost 500 through a full size 320 in 9mm. Probably the best striker fired trigger I have ever felt. Better than my Glocks, and M&P's. Very nice trigger on the 320.

[SteyrAUG]

Don't believe everything you read on the Interwebs, the dumbass to noise ratio is very high.

There's nothing wrong with the P227.

My concern is things like MIM parts which didn't exist with older SIGs. I have a bunch of pre Cohen SIGs and it is easily my favorite handgun, been carrying 226s since 1985.

[TAZ]

My concern is things like MIM parts which didn't exist with older SIGs. I have a bunch of pre Cohen SIGs and it is easily my favorite handgun, been carrying 226s since 1985.

MIM done correctly works fine. Got a chance to fondle a 227 a while ago. Felt nice in the hand. Even my dwarf fingers could access the controls relatively nicely. Not a big fan of the DA/SA thing but that's a personal thing. Would love to see if someone makes a set of thin grips for it just to make the ergos for my dwarfish fingers better. I may be tempted to get back into a 45 with that one and the 41.

[Rekkr870]

My concern is things like MIM parts which didn't exist with older SIGs. I have a bunch of pre Cohen SIGs and it is easily my favorite handgun, been carrying 226s since 1985.

Was the move to MIM just to cut cost or are there any advantages? Aren't the HK line of handguns full of MIM as well? I'm not trying to be an ass I am honestly curious.

[ritepath]

I went to pick up a 227 back around mid summer, I didn't think it felt as nice as the p220. Soooooo I "saved" 500 bucks picking up a Ruger SR45 at the time.

I picked up a p220 a few weeks ago. One failure so far an that was a OL problem...I'm really liking the 220 so far, I may try a set of E2 grips just to see how they feel.

[Sensei]

Was the move to MIM just to cut cost or are there any advantages? Aren't the HK line of handguns full of MIM as well? I'm not trying to be an ass I am honestly curious.

It was largely a cost issue. Sig could not compete in the polymer revolution of the past decade without it. The first few years were rough as Sig ran into quality problems with small parts procurement. Recently, it seems that they have refined there manufacturing and quality of the P-series is doing better. Is it back to German standards? Who knows.


Yes, companies like HK, Glock, etc. use well made MIM parts.

[SteyrAUG]

MIM done correctly works fine. Got a chance to fondle a 227 a while ago. Felt nice in the hand. Even my dwarf fingers could access the controls relatively nicely. Not a big fan of the DA/SA thing but that's a personal thing. Would love to see if someone makes a set of thin grips for it just to make the ergos for my dwarfish fingers better. I may be tempted to get back into a 45 with that one and the 41.

My concern is the MIM not being done correctly. Looking at the whole 556/551A1 fiasco gives me big concerns when it comes to SIG USA doing anything correctly.

Was the move to MIM just to cut cost or are there any advantages? Aren't the HK line of handguns full of MIM as well? I'm not trying to be an ass I am honestly curious.

I don't know. My most recent HK handguns are USPs purchased in the 90s. Based upon the issues I've seen related to the SIG 556 rifles my concern is the MIM was done as a cost cutting issue and the QC suffered. Many recognized experts acknowledged this problem with SIG years ago on this forum.

To be clear, the P227 is everything I'd ever want from a SIG handgun. I've sworn by SIGs since 1985 when I got my first P226. But my concern is the previously mentioned QC issues. I wouldn't be buying a P227 as just a range toy. I'm just wondering if anything has changed for the better at SIG regarding production quality in recent years.

[SteyrAUG]

Recently, it seems that they have refined there manufacturing and quality of the P-series is doing better. Is it back to German standards? Who knows.

That really is the question I'm asking. Wish Tim was still on the forums, seemed he had a lot of inside knowledge regarding SIG.

[El Cid]

My understanding is that the Sigs were pulled from FBI service because they kept seeing cracks in the frame rails. Nothing MIM about that. There are still a handful of personally owned (grandfathered) Sigs in use, but the last of the issued weapons were replaced with Glocks in 2006/07.

I have always loved the ergos of the 226 and would love to try a 227 or 226 SAO (or perhaps DAK) if I was convinced they were good to go.

[Rekkr870]

It was largely a cost issue. Sig could not compete in the polymer revolution of the past decade without it. The first few years were rough as Sig ran into quality problems with small parts procurement. Recently, it seems that they have refined there manufacturing and quality of the P-series is doing better. Is it back to German standards? Who knows.


Yes, companies like HK, Glock, etc. use well made MIM parts.

Thanks, I appreciate the reply. From my experience, the newer SIG handguns are good to go. I'd hate to see great handguns like the 226, 227, and 229 not make the cut due to terrible QC.