Greek Springfield Armory SAR-3 w/ 8 overstamp questions

[alaskashooter]

Ahh gotcha. Hard to place an established value on something like this because it is a combination of an HK contract rifle which doesn't have the pedigree of HK but is in demand by HK shooters because they "used" to be an affordable alternative. Add in the economy and it's hard to state what it is worth definitively.

You could determine it's current market value by starting a $1 auction on Gunbroker but even there prices paid might be different over a period of three months. As a general rule these are worth about 65-70% of an HK91 in the same condition. However, HK collectors sometimes collect contract rifles and even post ban sporter versions which will drive prices. The HK 911 for example will actually cost more than a preban HK91 because so few exist and collectors are seeking to have complete collections. And this same factor sometimes pushes rifles like Greek contracts to within 80% of the price of a comparable HK91.

The "doesn't appear to be fired" means nothing more than excellent condition. If you don't have all the indicators of NIB complete with factory box, all accessories and cardboard barrel string you have a rifle in excellent condition and nothing more. And technically all HKs have been fired, they were test fired several times at the factory and a target is included.

I don't have any experience with the Trijicon sight system so can't offer any opinion there.

SteyrAug,

Thanks for the info. I appreciate the lead on Gunbroker and percentages; it helps me get a better feel.

I have the factory box, all accessories, but no cardboard barrel string or factory target. The bolt face still has the wax/grease that it was first wrapped in though. The magazines still have the original grease too. I realize the factory did a few test-fires, just that it does not appear to have been fired other than that. Any idea where I can find how many of these might still be in circulation unmolested? I know most guys bought these to modify and make into a (relatively) cheaper HK.

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What has been your experience with accuracy on guns like this? Obviously it isn't as accurate as a bolt, just seeing how it may do in my original post scenario...really gotta watch those marauding deer herds up here

[SteyrAUG]

SteyrAug,

Thanks for the info. I appreciate the lead on Gunbroker and percentages; it helps me get a better feel.

I have the factory box, all accessories, but no cardboard barrel string or factory target. The bolt face still has the wax/grease that it was first wrapped in though. The magazines still have the original grease too. I realize the factory did a few test-fires, just that it does not appear to have been fired other than that. Any idea where I can find how many of these might still be in circulation unmolested? I know most guys bought these to modify and make into a (relatively) cheaper HK.

It can be exceedingly hard to prove NIB unfired for a given firearm. "Seems to be" and "looks like" just really aren't enough to qualify anything. I've seen a lot of firearms that were "probably" unfired and NIB but you really have to be able to prove it.

I wouldn't begin to know where to find out how many of these are out there unmodified. Keep in mind that swapping stocks back and forth really doesn't change anything so long as you retain the original furniture. It's no different than field stripping the rifle.

What has been your experience with accuracy on guns like this? Obviously it isn't as accurate as a bolt, just seeing how it may do in my original post scenario...really gotta watch those marauding deer herds up here

They are at best a 2MOA rifle. I know the internet is full of exceptional marksmen who regularly shoot pennies at 500 yards but it's still at best a 2MOA rifle. But they really aren't famous for being more accurate than an AR or more reliable than an AK, they are sorta a best of both worlds with reasonable accuracy and reliability.

While DMR versions such as the G3SG1 exist those were a bit more than a standard G3 with a set trigger pack. Even though receivers weren't reinforced like the MSG90 or PSG1, SG1 rifles were built from the start with accuracy in mind. And even the SG1 series is barely a 1MOA rifle. Only the PSG1 is capable of reliably and repeatedly shooting 1MOA.

That said, I've gotten some pleasing results from my 91s and contract .308 rifles even if I can't quite shoot pennies at 500 yards.

[scottryan]

It's not an HK and so not collectable

It is a licensed build HK patern rifle. New in the box ones sell for $2500+ which is almost 2-3 times more money than PTR.

A PTR is an aftermarket clone akin to a DPMS ar15

[SteyrAUG]

It is a licensed build HK patern rifle. New in the box ones sell for $2500+ which is almost 2-3 times more money than PTR.

A PTR is an aftermarket clone akin to a DPMS ar15

I'm not sure if it's as bad as a DPMS. While they are using FMP tooling they aren't making them quite to HK spec. I don't have the exact details but I'm pretty sure even the GI barrel models aren't CHF so it's still not quite a true contract rifle. But I'm not sure I'd completely put them in the clone category either.

[scottryan]

I'm not sure if it's as bad as a DPMS. While they are using FMP tooling they aren't making them quite to HK spec. I don't have the exact details but I'm pretty sure even the GI barrel models aren't CHF so it's still not quite a true contract rifle. But I'm not sure I'd completely put them in the clone category either.

Anything that is not licensed and not built off an OEM TDP is a clone.

[OODA_Loop]

What I've done in the past to determine value of something that interests me is use completed auctions in Gunbroker - you have to have an account there - for a representative period where there wasn't a lot of panic buying (last six months). I think the market is deflated right now.

Another factor to consider is that while it doesn't have the German HK cachet, they are imported licensed copies from a military arsenal (the others being INDEP/FMP and more recently Turkey/MKE and Pakistan/POF). Importation is limited, so if demand increases at some point...

Anyway they are solid rifles - came close to buying an FMP a couple of times.