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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I think that pursuing a revocation of the sporter clause is something that the community needs to unite behind.
    The sporter clause is a clear 2nd Amendment violation just waiting for someone with the balls to file a lawsuit and challenge it.
    Look at it's title ... "sporter"
    The 2nd Amendment says not one thing about rifles for sporting purposes.
    It's sole intention was to ensure armament, any armament by the way, of the populace against governmental overreach.
    The thought of citizens having rifles for the purpose of hunting and defense was a given.
    The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was not sporting, defense or hunting.
    It was armed resistance plain and simple.
    If the tenacity exists to defy the political shitstorm and get it to this Supreme Court the legal argument for revocation or modification will be compelling.
    Just need a few good lawyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Personally I'd like to see something similar to the C&R regarding NFA weapons where individuals pull and maintain a "non business" NFA license and the registry is completely opened to new domestic and imported weapons. This way we are still doing a "due diligence" background check, the government keeps some form a tax revenue flowing into their coffers and NFA weapons become much more available to law abiding citizens.

    And while some argue it's a form of "infringement" we should bear in mind that "tax revenue" is the only thing that motivates the government to keep certain things as they are. The percentage of the population that owns SBRs or suppressors has exploded in the last 20 years.
    Why not use systems in place already? NICS check at the SOTs, 4473, and walk out the door. $200 tax gets collected by the SOT and a monthly transfer report gets sent to the NFA branch every month with the tax money collected. NFA branch takes the reports and updates the registry accordingly.

    NFA branch should only be manually approving F1s and F4 between non-SOT individuals. If an SOT is involved, it's on the monthly report.
    I'm an FFL/gunsmith, not the holster company. We specialize in subsonic ammunition and wholesale rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I think that pursuing a revocation of the sporter clause is something that the community needs to unite behind.
    Problem is we need something more the petitions.com to make the attempt. The NRA has to decide to spend some of that "membership money" on something besides seeking new members. They can't just have an ILA and rely on it to be funded by members. They also can't depend upon the Cato Institute to do their work for them or the GOA to start a successful grass roots campaign.

    The NRA needs to start WRITING lots of articles that are printed in all of their publications and online material. They need to educate members about what the "sporter clause" actually is, what it does and maybe even list all of the guns they are being denied with the sporter clause.

    Their was a big internet stink because somebody from RECOIL magazine said "only LE / gov. should have things like the HK MP7" and the gun community Zumbo'ed the guy. Well ATF uses the "sporter clause" almost daily to keep thousands of firearms out of the hands of US citizens and nobody seems to even understand that it is happening.

    So you are correct, we need to go after the 1968 Gun Control Act again, and we need to specifically target the sporter clause. Problem is the opposition so dearly loves the 1968 GCA, that was the law where they did "something" about the Kennedy and King assassinations so they won't give it up easy and anyone who goes after it will be characterized as "trying to take us back to the dark days of the Kennedy and King assassinations."
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Armament View Post
    Why not use systems in place already? NICS check at the SOTs, 4473, and walk out the door. $200 tax gets collected by the SOT and a monthly transfer report gets sent to the NFA branch every month with the tax money collected. NFA branch takes the reports and updates the registry accordingly.

    NFA branch should only be manually approving F1s and F4 between non-SOT individuals. If an SOT is involved, it's on the monthly report.
    One could do it "that" way, but I was thinking more along the lines of a licensed "collector" than licensed "items." Rather than pay $200 for each transaction, I'd like to see a NFA collectors license where it's $500 annual and you can buy as many as you want, still fill out the Form 4 and 4473 but not pay a $200 per item tax. And if you decide not to renew your license they default to you, but you can only sell them to other current NFA license holders.

    Basically individuals would be treated about like a SOT and NFA weapons would be treated like pre86 dealer samples. So long as anyone who can get a C&R could also get the NFA license it shouldn't be an issue.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Wouldn't be hard to create the license type, as the 04 and 05 are left open for future use.
    I'm an FFL/gunsmith, not the holster company. We specialize in subsonic ammunition and wholesale rifles.

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    Well it appears that as of 27 July 2014 the amount of signatures requested will fall considerably short of the amount needed.

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    Good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ex95B10 View Post
    Well it appears that as of 27 July 2014 the amount of signatures requested will fall considerably short of the amount needed.

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    ......and all that was accomplished was to make it clear to everyone there is weak support for this, thus making it a target for anyone paying attention.

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