Reporting: Russians shot down a Malaysian Flight over Ukraine.

[Irish]

Good catch!

Just trying to help. The only reason I caught it was I went to the actual Youtube video page that shows the upload date.

[RHINOWSO]

The bigger picture take away - if these things are correct - at least one party has shot down a (private?) aircraft in that area AND that part of the story is NOT being included in this story.

Separatists have shot down several aircraft, including one at 22K only 2 days before MH17...

[SteveS]

With the tone of the reporting this may be a CIA incident.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

The bigger picture take away - if these things are correct - at least one party has shot down a (private?) aircraft in that area AND that part of the story is NOT being included in this story.

Uhm, a few planes were shot down in the area.

[Mauser KAR98K]

With the tone of the reporting this may be a CIA incident.

Say whaaaa????

[Honu]

He is from California

Say whaaaa????

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I think that some people are tone deaf.

Being serious, where is the 'ignore' button? I thought it used to be an option from a post, but I can't find it???

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/22/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

A good overview of what the world thinks and Russia's take on it. In hotels I had seen 'RT' news channel, but I just assumed it was Reuter's news service. Hard to tell the psuedo commies from the real thing.

[TiroFijo]

Today's report on Il Corriere della Sera, east ukraine pro-russian rebels admit shooting down plane:

http://www.corriere.it/english/14_lu...a03d21e8.shtml

How Malaysian Plane was Shot Down

Pro-Russian militiamen describe tragedy: “Superiors told us about plane carrying paratroopers from Kiev”
di Lorenzo Cremonesi in Ukraine


“We shot down a Kiev plane, our superiors told us. We thought we were looking for baled-out Ukrainian pilots but instead we found dead civilians”. The aftermath of the shooting down of the Malaysian Boeing from Amsterdam last Thursday, as told to the Corriere della Sera by a pro-Russian militiaman, is something of an eye-opener. Moscow claims there was a Ukrainian fighter in the area, Kiev denies this and Obama has called for investigations to go ahead without hindrance. Meanwhile, the remains of 282 of the 298 victims - 16 are unaccounted for - are in a refrigerated train waiting to set off for Holland.

“We thought we were going to fight but instead we found dead civilians”
“We thought we would have to fight baled out Ukrainian pilots but instead we found dead civilians. All those poor people with baggage that certainly wasn’t military”. We spoke to a militiaman from the Oplot (stronghold) combat unit at midday yesterday on the concrete platforms of Torez railway station. He was standing beside five rail wagons - four refrigerated and the fifth with the refrigeration unit’s diesel geneerators - containing the human remains collected among the sunflower fields in pro-Russian separatist-held Ukraine. His words are revealing because he spoke them quite naturally, without reflecting, after telling us about the international representatives’ recently completed inspection of the bodies and his unit’s orders to stand
guard over the wagons. In its innocence and simplicity, the story is significant. In fact, it could provide new evidence for those who blame the pro-Russians for mistakenly launching the fatal missile under the impression that their target was a Ukrainian military aircraft.

“I was looking for a parachute and I found the body of a little girl”
“On Thursday afternoon, our commanders ordered us to get into the lorries with our weapons and plenty of ammunition. Perhaps ten minutes earlier, there had been a huge explosion in the sky. ‘We’ve just shot down one of the Kiev Fascists’ planes’, they told us, warning us to take care because at least some of the crew had reportedly baled out. White objects had been seen floating in the clouds. We might have had to fight to round them up”, the soldier explained. He had orders not to reveal his name or rank and neither would his Oplot companions. About ten militiamen were on the platform while the others stood guard on the track or on the edge of the village. My soldier told me he was thirty-one, lived in Torez and worked locally as a miner. He was happy to be photographed with the fresh seals on three of the wagons applied by the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE). Two hundred and eighty-two bodies had been collected and the fourth wagon remained open to receive the last few. The soldier made a point of telling me the area was calm. “We’re doing a good job. The European inspectors said the bodies were satisfactorily conserved. The temperature inside the wagons is kept between 0 °C and -5 °C”, he told me, before continuing his account of the tragic day: “My men and I were looking for parachutes on the ground and in the trees. All of a sudden, I saw scraps of material in a clearing. Underneath I found the body of a little girl, who can’t have been more than five. She was lying face down. It was awful. That was when I realised it was a civilian plane. Not a military one. And all these dead people were civilians. A heap of burst suitcases confirmed it”. The Oplot unit has been at the site ever since. They were the first to be tasked with identifying the bodies and then kept watch over the wreckage of the Malaysian jet before guarding the mortuary wagons. Yet the militiamen showed no sense of guilt, contradicting their commander who supplied the official version. “Obviously, it wasn’t us that shot the jet down. We haven’t got missiles that reach that high. This crime was committed by the bandits who take orders from the Kiev government. One of their fighters could easily have shot down the Malaysian Airlines plane”, they point out.

Agreement for handover of bodies
The militiamen’s hostility to Kiev was accompanied yesterday afternoon by sporadic fighting at the airport and railway station in Donetsk, the separatists’ capital. At least four people were killed in the city centre, all of them near the station. As evening drew in, however, the tension appeared to ease. Bursts of gunfire ceased to echo in the streets. Crucially, an agreement was reached to hand over the bodies and the stricken aircraft’s black boxes in a deal clinched during a phone call between the Malaysian prime minister, Najib Razak, and the self-proclaimed separatist prime minister, Alexander Boradai. It’s a solution that seemed to satisfy the pro-Russians, given that it leapfrogged the Kiev government. The refrigerated wagons with the remains of at least 282 bodies - the other sixteen are understood to have been destroyed in the blast - are due to move off during the night for Donetsk, and then the terminal at Kharhiv controlled by Ukrainian regular forces. The Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, has confirmed the agreement. This means that the remains and black boxes should be flown to Amsterdam in a Dutch C130 Hercules, escorted by a team of Danish and Dutch experts.

[Moose-Knuckle]

With the tone of the reporting this may be a CIA incident.

Russian State Media Says CIA Shot Down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101852656#.

They claim the CIA aided the Ukrainians in taking down the airliner and blame it on the Russians and or their supporters. They also reference Operation Northwoods a past CIA false flag that almost happened. I find it also very interesting that they mention the BRIC nations angle in all of this.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Russian State Media Says CIA Shot Down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101852656#.

They claim the CIA aided the Ukrainians in taking down the airliner and blame it on the Russians and or their supporters. They also reference Operation Northwoods a past CIA false flag that almost happened. I find it also very interesting that they mention the BRIC nations angle in all of this.

So it is a 1960s CIA plot? More like the Russian cover-up is a replay of the 1980s KAL007 cover up, which was to blame the US. I like the mention that Russia is the leader of the BRICs.... yep, not so much.

I guess we should be honored that we are implicated. I wish we were half as diabolical and scheming as our enemies make us out to be..