Combat Focus Shooting AAR

[Patriot_Dave]

Ugh. Okay, step 1, with no guns or mags involved, stand with your hands on your hips. Now, look at your hands. Are your 4 fingers facing forward, with your thumbs behind your hips? Or do you stand like Forrest Gump with your thumb forward?

If you have your 4 fingers forward, then positioning your mags with the bullets forward (and yes, obviously the mag is upside down. I still fail to see how a mag pouch can position the mag with the bullets on top, since the baseplate is always the widest part of the mag) is the most ergonomic way of grabbing the spare mag.

As you reach down for the mag, the bottom of the mag (which is facing up) will end up in your palm, thumb will be behind, forefinger down the front spine of the mag. Pull up, clear pouch, and then just bring your elbow in to your side as you rotate your wrist to bring mag up to gun. If your fingers are long enough, your forefinger tip should be on the tip of that top round in the mag. Insert mag, and then your palm is already on the bottom of the mag (since the time you grabbed the mag in your pouch), so you just slam it home. Done.

Accessing it with bullets facing backward gives you purchase only toward the bottom of the mag, not along its whole length. You also won't naturally be "pointing" with your forefinger into the magwell. It's unnatural and a waste, as is this dude's training, from what I have seen.

Thanks Hogarth for once again for being a pompous ass. I ask a simple question and you act as if you the unquestionable expert. Just because I was trained differently does not make my method wrong. You know nothing about me. How do you know or not if I carry a certain way because of physical limitations. I guaranty that the way I carry is just as fast, if not faster than the way you "expertly" carry. Don't bother to respond. I'm done with is crap.

[WillBrink]

Thanks Hogarth for once again for being a pompous ass. I ask a simple question and you act as if you the unquestionable expert. Just because I was trained differently does not make my method wrong. You know nothing about me. How do you know or not if I carry a certain way because of physical limitations. I guaranty that the way I carry is just as fast, if not faster than the way you "expertly" carry. Don't bother to respond. I'm done with is crap.

I did address your comment " I still don't understand with this bullet facing forward thing anyway. " with a vid and asked for some intel on the other technique, which I assume is bullet backward?

[Nola_Jack]

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Thanks Hogarth for once again for being a pompous ass. I ask a simple question and you act as if you the unquestionable expert. Just because I was trained differently does not make my method wrong. You know nothing about me. How do you know or not if I carry a certain way because of physical limitations. I guaranty that the way I carry is just as fast, if not faster than the way you "expertly" carry. Don't bother to respond. I'm done with is crap.

Why not ignore the one contentious post and focus on the more numerous explanatory posts? Don't sweat the small stuff

[hogarth]

Thanks Hogarth for once again for being a pompous ass. I ask a simple question and you act as if you the unquestionable expert. Just because I was trained differently does not make my method wrong. You know nothing about me. How do you know or not if I carry a certain way because of physical limitations. I guaranty that the way I carry is just as fast, if not faster than the way you "expertly" carry. Don't bother to respond. I'm done with is crap.

Well, for one thing, you didn't mention any physical limitations. If you had said, "guy's, my thumb doesn't work properly, so it makes sense for me to carry another way", I am sure I and others would have been more "understanding". I can't believe I took the time to type up that whole description if all you are going to do is get offended.

Like I said, the day I take another class with Mike Pannone, Paul Howe, Steve Fisher, Larry Vickers, Pat McNamara, etc., and see/hear them touting the benefits of rearward facing bullets, I will try it again. I come to this party having tried mags facing each way. Even if speed is even (and I doubt it, especially if clearing a garment first), going bullets forward ends up with much more of your hand on the mag, critical if your hands are wet due to weather, mud, blood, sweat, etc.

[hogarth]

And just for some extra visual assistance, here is Mike Pannone:

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_...?v=KW8jgB3dECg

And Travis Haley:

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_...?v=vJDp6x3FHsQ

And Kyle Lamb:

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_...362E76B87BD011

And Frank Proctor:

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_...?v=W6eXINBTahA

[SeriousStudent]

Okay everybody - breathe.....

And after you have exhaled, stop poking each other in the eye. That part is not a suggestion.