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    Quote Originally Posted by cd228 View Post
    I'd also include uneducated.
    Point. Though, I might make the argument that you could chuck uneducated under the lazy category. Never meant a highly educated lazy person. But, the point is still there.

    Quote Originally Posted by fixit69 View Post
    I agree with everything you said... But, be carful of the "you get what you pay for" saying. A guy I know is putting together parts and he asked quite a few questions, and one time he asked about some part and I said that saying. His reply so I'm good to go with DPMS or bushmaster, cause it's the same or more than Xgtg brand? I facepalmed myself really hard, and went though the whole thing again.
    I've run into the same. The issue comes down again to you get what you pay for. Just because two companies get their parts from the same place does not mean that they are speced the same. I think we had a thread here a month or two ago, maybe longer, about barrels and I want to say it was either IG or Grant that made the point that just because two companies were getting their barrels from the same place they were not equal since the manufacturer was not just selling the barrels that they had laying around but were manufacturing them to the specs of the companies. QC is also another concern with companies. What I find telling is when you have companies that sell blemed parts. Generally they will fall into two categories in my experience. Companies that have higher QC requirements like BCM and Noveske sell blemed parts that are only cosmetic blemished and otherwise fully functional. Where I have dealt with other companies that have sold blemished parts that were not in spec. On another forum I remember seeing a blemished lower from a company that was sold as a blemished lower, finish was fine, but the magwell would not drop anything freely, and pin holes were not drilled straight if I recall correctly (Been about 2-3 years now and I remember that there was a couple issues with the lower. Ended up devolving into a should have bought an AK response because they are they greatest and never jam or break ) and the company refused to warranty the lower since it was sold as a blemished lower, basically leaving the poor bastard who bought it with a paper weight. If the same issue were to arise with one of the companies listed above here I would be willing to bet that they would not simply reply with a "it's not our problem, buyer beware." response.

    In short, you do get what you pay for, one way or the other. At least that is my opinion and experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand58742 View Post
    Here's to hoping he can work something out on the OKC area. Or nearby.
    Seconded.

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    Thanks for the input, Phreakish. Adherance to specifications and "craftsmanship" is why I always choose BCM! No "made in china" freaking corner-cutting!

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    Can anyone give a recommendation of a good lower parts kit other than BCM or Colt? I was under the impression that the parts see a lower stress level than say a BCG. As long as the lower was in spec, a "middle-tier" (lower cost) LPK might be OK, but I am always open to learning more...

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    Get one of Grant's, or a Daniel Defense kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notorious_ar15 View Post
    Can anyone give a recommendation of a good lower parts kit other than BCM or Colt? I was under the impression that the parts see a lower stress level than say a BCG. As long as the lower was in spec, a "middle-tier" (lower cost) LPK might be OK, but I am always open to learning more...
    Daniel Defense gets touted as a very quality LPK. Next one I buy will be from G&R Tactical. They also have a great rep on here.
    I am no expert. But, according to the majority on this forum, those above mentioned are great, quality LPK's.

    Someone beat me to it

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    It depends upon which parts you are talking about in the LPK as to whether they make a big difference. Grant's kit is a great choice when he has it, but it all depends on which parts you will actually use from the kit.

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    I went with a DD LPK which I was told is the same as Colt (Schmidt?). The trigger left a lot to be desired, very gritty. I replaced it with a RRA National Match 2 stage trigger and so far I am very happy. It is so much smoother, breaks clean and crisp. One day I will step up to a Geissele.
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    Hopefully not going too off topic, but taking from these two points:

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    ...a broken hammer spring ...
    Quote Originally Posted by TXBK View Post
    Him [IG] teaching us how to properly examine our components
    This was probably one of the biggest take-aways from the course: inspection & diagnosis of your weapon - knowing the components and if there is an issue. The broken hammer spring was on a duty weapon I believe, and luckily it was caught during the class; an issue you wouldn't want to find out while in harm's way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiGfever View Post
    I went with a DD LPK which I was told is the same as Colt (Schmidt?). The trigger left a lot to be desired, very gritty. I replaced it with a RRA National Match 2 stage trigger and so far I am very happy. It is so much smoother, breaks clean and crisp. One day I will step up to a Geissele.
    Those RRA 2stage triggers seem to shit the bed at higher round counts. Might want to save for an SSA sooner than you already were.


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