Could non-citizens decide the November election?

[Denali]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...mber-election/

Its insanity that we as a people tolerate this overt democratic party sponsored voter fraud, it is insanity!

How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Estimated Voter Turnout by Non-Citizens
2008 2010
Self reported and/or verified 38 (11.3%) 13 (3.5%)
Self reported and verified 5 (1.5%) N.A.
Adjusted estimate 21 (6.4%) 8 (2.2%)
Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.

[No.6]

Just wait until they figure out that they can vote three and four times in an election....

[26 Inf]

I don't know if they could, I doubt it. From reading the info on the Cooperative Congressional Election Study website, I doubt the validity of the poll.

I feel a greater danger is making it overly difficult for legitimate Americans to vote. In our last election, this took place:

Voters in suspended status, this is for you.

There are about 18,000 of you out there in a weird electoral limbo. You have registered to vote, but you are not yet eligible. Your county’s election office has been working hard to let you know there’s a problem.

Some of you forgot to fill in a box on your registration form or provide an address or other pertinent information. But many more of you registered correctly at one of the motor vehicle offices.

Thanks to a federal law, people who show up at state offices for a new or renewed driver’s license must be offered a voter registration form.

The federal form doesn’t require people to provide proof that they are U.S. citizens. But a new State law does. And therein lies the problem.

If you renewed your driver’s license, there’s a chance you didn’t produce proof of citizenship, like a passport or birth certificate, when you filled out your voter registration form at the vehicle office.

When your paperwork reached your county elections office, your registration was deemed incomplete and you were placed in suspended status.

The good news is you can still vote. But you’re going to have to do some work.

First you find the required proof of citizenship, usually a passport or birth certificate. You produce it for your county election authorities, either in person or by electronically sending a copy or photo.

You can do this right up to the day before the Aug. 5 election, which features primaries for state and federal offices and some local races. Once advance voting starts on July 16, you can take your proof of citizenship to your county’s main elections office and clean up your registration and vote at the same time.

Of course, this may not be as easy state officials would like to have the public believe.

Finding and obtaining a birth certificate can be difficult. Obtaining a passport is expensive. Not everybody has the skills to digitally photograph a document and email it to the elections office.

The worst part is there is no good reason for all of this trouble. Claims of voter fraud put forth by the Secretary of State and others are vastly exaggerated. There is no substantiated evidence that non-U.S. citizens have voted in our State or that people attempt to vote with someone else’s ID.

The group of 18,000 voters whose votes were placed in limbo contains many Senior Citizens, including WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam veterans. I don't think that is an acceptable way to quell, what may, or may not be, large numbers of illegal voters.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Uhm, da hell?

What state lets you get a drivers license with out a birth certificate to prove how old you are? That would have been nice when I was under 21.

Did you write that yourself or is it from the website?

You might be right. Here in Colorado it might be easier to just find ballots in the trash to turn in than have illegals vote, but there are a metric ass ton of illegals here.

Finding and obtaining a birth certificate can be difficult. Obtaining a passport is expensive. Not everybody has the skills to digitally photograph a document and email it to the elections office.

Maybe finding one with your name on it, or one that someone else hasn't used.... I'm sorry (I'm not really) that being a functioning adult is such a pain. If you can't do these things, frankly you shouldn't be voting.

Nice to throw in the veterans. You are starting to vote now???

I think it is a perfect way to 'quell' illegal voting. It's even a better way to protect our democracy.

You know who needs a voted ID to vote, Mexicans- in Mexico. Mexicans can vote here in the US with out a voter ID card.

We often hear of the most draconian laws are totally suitable if it 'only saves one life'. By you saying that a few illegal votes are alright diminishes the value of any one vote. I say that these precautions need to be taken even if it only stops one illegal vote.

A lot of energy is spent about income inequality in this country. I would offer that the most valuable thing that many Americans possess is their American citizenship. How much time and effort does it take to become an American citizen? That is the value of citizenship- and some people here just want to throw that value away by giving this precious resource to anyone that can run, swim or jump.

[Moose-Knuckle]

The Federal Government via Obama and Holder claim states are racist for wanting to pass voter ID laws. Yet the same government requires TWO forms of ID just to obtain a Post Office Box at a US Post Office . . .

Of course they want all the illegal aliens voting they can get.

[J-Dub]

Of course they could, and will. That's the whole point in the immigration cluster F. Let millions of them in undocumented so they can suck us dry through "entitlements" and get dems elected by way of voter fraud.

Even with voter ID, its still a fraud due to the electronic ballot machines that are hacked

[Denali]

I don't know if they could, I doubt it. From reading the info on the Cooperative Congressional Election Study website, I doubt the validity of the poll.

I feel a greater danger is making it overly difficult for legitimate Americans to vote. In our last election, this took place:

Voters in suspended status, this is for you.

There are about 18,000 of you out there in a weird electoral limbo. You have registered to vote, but you are not yet eligible. Your county’s election office has been working hard to let you know there’s a problem.

Some of you forgot to fill in a box on your registration form or provide an address or other pertinent information. But many more of you registered correctly at one of the motor vehicle offices.

Thanks to a federal law, people who show up at state offices for a new or renewed driver’s license must be offered a voter registration form.

The federal form doesn’t require people to provide proof that they are U.S. citizens. But a new State law does. And therein lies the problem.

If you renewed your driver’s license, there’s a chance you didn’t produce proof of citizenship, like a passport or birth certificate, when you filled out your voter registration form at the vehicle office.

When your paperwork reached your county elections office, your registration was deemed incomplete and you were placed in suspended status.

The good news is you can still vote. But you’re going to have to do some work.

First you find the required proof of citizenship, usually a passport or birth certificate. You produce it for your county election authorities, either in person or by electronically sending a copy or photo.

You can do this right up to the day before the Aug. 5 election, which features primaries for state and federal offices and some local races. Once advance voting starts on July 16, you can take your proof of citizenship to your county’s main elections office and clean up your registration and vote at the same time.

Of course, this may not be as easy state officials would like to have the public believe.

Finding and obtaining a birth certificate can be difficult. Obtaining a passport is expensive. Not everybody has the skills to digitally photograph a document and email it to the elections office.

The worst part is there is no good reason for all of this trouble. Claims of voter fraud put forth by the Secretary of State and others are vastly exaggerated. There is no substantiated evidence that non-U.S. citizens have voted in our State or that people attempt to vote with someone else’s ID.

The group of 18,000 voters whose votes were placed in limbo contains many Senior Citizens, including WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam veterans. I don't think that is an acceptable way to quell, what may, or may not be, large numbers of illegal voters.

You doubt the results of the poll, its from the "Washington Post! There is only one rag in the nation considered more kooky left of center, that being the NYT's. Did you not know that Franken was elected illegally in Minnesota, by just 312 votes, while it is a known fact that some 1500 + voted illegally in that election! Consider the effect that that fraud has had upon the nation, Colemans seat, the one that Franken and the democrats stole, is the seat that gave us Obamacare on a straight party line vote! Do you know what a party line vote is? Its when no members of the political opposition cast a vote for a particular piece of legislation. In the passing of Obamacare into law, its the first time in modern USA(Civil War)political history that such a major piece of legislation has been passed into law on such a party line vote! Its all but apparent that felonious illegal aliens(they are all felons)cast votes by the millions in US national elections, and they are not casting them for the welfare of the nation, they are casting them based upon the obvious, WELFARE BENEFITS! I'm proceeding upon the presumption that you're an American citizen, why do you think it is that democrats stridently oppose simple, common sense measures such as voter ID, English language first, and restricting driver licenses to citizens and legal residents?

If I had my way, every human who has voted democratic in the last two election cycles would have their civil liberties frozen until they had been compelled to come before a citizens review board and prove that they are a citizen of the USA! I promise you, the democratic party would lose 10-15% of its total voting base as about 5,000,000 or so illegals are trimmed from the rolls...

[MountainRaven]

You doubt the results of the poll, its from the "Washington Post! There is only one rag in the nation considered more kooky left of center, that being the NYT's. Did you not know that Franken was elected illegally in Minnesota, by just 312 votes, while it is a known fact that some 1500 + voted illegally in that election! Consider the effect that that fraud has had upon the nation, Colemans seat, the one that Franken and the democrats stole, is the seat that gave us Obamacare on a straight party line vote! Do you know what a party line vote is? Its when no members of the political opposition cast a vote for a particular piece of legislation. In the passing of Obamacare into law, its the first time in modern USA(Civil War)political history that such a major piece of legislation has been passed into law on such a party line vote! Its all but apparent that felonious illegal aliens(they are all felons)cast votes by the millions in US national elections, and they are not casting them for the welfare of the nation, they are casting them based upon the obvious, WELFARE BENEFITS! I'm proceeding upon the presumption that you're an American citizen, why do you think it is that democrats stridently oppose simple, common sense measures such as voter ID, English language first, and restricting driver licenses to citizens and legal residents?

If I had my way, every human who has voted democratic in the last two election cycles would have their civil liberties frozen until they had been compelled to come before a citizens review board and prove that they are a citizen of the USA! I promise you, the democratic party would lose 10-15% of its total voting base as about 5,000,000 or so illegals are trimmed from the rolls...

Well, sieg heil to you, too!

If a Democrat posted this idea, it would be proof of their communo-socialist agenda to destroy America. But not when a god-fearing Republican patriot posts it!

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

There is also a mathematical explanation why it is worse to have illegals vote than to impede a citizen from freely voting besides just the fact that if you can't be bothered to register right, are you really that engaged. Let's say one of your Vietnam vets doesn't get to vote. He burned his birth certificate with his draft card, whatever. There are a lot of other voters like him, many of whom don't vote by choice. But there are voters like him and his concerns are in the mix of votes. Illegals, by their very nature, do not share similar voting concerns than citizen voters. Adding their votes into the mix fundamentally brings another viewpoint into the voting- one that dems have been keen to exploit. So now you have Dems courting the illegal vote instead of traditional allies like African-Americans and labor- and by labor I mean workers, not the union cabals.

For all the talk about how illegals don't vote, the Dems sure spend a lot of effort courting their vote. That is the empirical proof you need to show that illegals are voting. Never mind the illegals that come, whelp a baby and then implant themselves in our systems with 'citizens' that most other western countries would not grant citizenship to.

The illegal situation is a great example of Milton Friedman's points about it not being the upper versus lower classes, it is a subset of the upper class that thinks they can get outsized returns by sponsoring programs for the poor- programs that don't seem to help the poor, but enrich the educational-government-social program complex.

People come here to enjoy the benefits of the economy and then they vote for people that will fundamentally frustrate the growth that those people came for.

ETA: I'm not anti-immigrant. Frankly, we used to have large 4-6 kid families, but with the cost of kids going up, most have 1-3 now. We are 'importing' the other brothers and sisters and don't spend near the money on them that we do for our own kids. Why? Someone has to dig ditches and frankly with out population growth, Ponzi schemes like SS will fail. China, for all its population faces a real and incredibly dangerous population distribution implosion. Think Japan and 5x the scale and a far less cohesive social structure. Mexicans, in some ways, are our bastard children that we need to keep the social programs afloat for all these dipshit baby-boomers.

[The_War_Wagon]

Just as they have in EVERY election since the 1960's!