Yeah that plain SHV model is a bust. I would never buy a scope for a target rifle that had caps on the elevation turret. It makes absolutely no sense. Also, like you, all my dopes are in MOA but it isn't that big of a deal with modern ballistic calcs and a few moments of time
I got very fortunate that the F1 came out the same week I was looking for an optic. Otherwise I might have just went with the Vortex 4-16 again. I wrote about my experience with the F1 in my 600 yard build thread in this sub forum. The pics are all gone but the gist of it is that the F1 (all F1s are uncapped by the way) kills all of the other mid-tier scopes in every single aspect.
ETA the Burris XTR II - I don't know why everyone has a hard on for that optic. Same price as the NF SHV F1 but the illumination on mine broke within ten seconds of using it and that 34mm tube is a beast for an AR.
Last edited by Eurodriver; 06-25-16 at 10:54.
Not sure how anyone could say this is "too much scope" for an SPR...
This is the MOAR reticle at 14x. Target is at 500 yards and the orange circle is 3" wide.
Last edited by Eurodriver; 06-25-16 at 10:52.
Why do the loudest do the least?
That would be my choice, if I did not already have the 3-24 March ffp on mine. I was adding those from Burris to show size and weight, I am not sure what the reason is but so many people still choose the NF 2.5-10 x24,32,42 when other options are available in the FFP.
I checked my previous orders and this is the exact Bobro I have. Never measured it so I'm unsure of the actual height. The website says its 1.5" but if you did get one that is 1.375" you'll still have plenty of room even with a flip open lens cover as you can see in the pics. Honestly, I wish the scope was higher because the Magpul stock's cheek riser is useless as I can't get a good sight picture unless its completely bottomed out.
http://www.primaryarms.com/b10-300-300/p/b10-300-300/
Last edited by Eurodriver; 06-25-16 at 11:01.
Why do the loudest do the least?
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Problem is that rule of thumb isn't based on quantitative data collected in a scientific manner. It is merely regurgitated instructional talking points passed down from one generation of snipers to another. By that logic 5-25 is "too much" for a 308, although I would disagree. There is certainly a difference in desired power for a 308 pushing 175gr at 2650fps and a 300WM pushing 190gr at almost 3000fps. Load up some 230gr Berger hybrids and you're almost at 338 capability. More power is always better, provided you do not violate the rules of weight, balance, and enough FOV on the low end. Plus on a true modern SPR a backup sighting system for 100m and in is a must. Regarding the concept of max effective range, let's not forget that the standard for the M16 and M4 (with iron sights) is 550m and 500m respectively. Trained shooters should be able to provide combat effective fire at that distance, and there are still plenty of great shooters who can put accurate rounds on target consistently. Thus, the SPR concept starts at a range of 600m, and 800m is realistic given the right conditions and the right shooter.
I refer back to the greatest modern day fail regarding poor optic/rifle combination...the original SASS with only 10x...we got it WRONG. Thankfully the CSASS program fixed it, and it wasn't done just by asking guys what they thought...it was confirmed through a scientific user eval with data collection.
And I will offer from personal observation that a 5.56 platform offhand with higher magnification is a hassle to shoot. Notice I said offhand, if all you do is bench resting then OK, put as much mag as you can afford on it. Once you actually have to pick it up, patrol with it and then start engaging targets at range under less than ideal conditions, too much mag becomes a hindrance. As always YMMV. Bigger calibers sure go bigger as you need that for range, my personal .308 runs a HDMR and I'll usually be up around 15x-16x at max range which so far is 760yds. I've only spun it up higher at range to observe at times.
Last edited by USMC_Anglico; 06-25-16 at 17:09.
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On my LPR, the NF 2.5-10X works well, but I'm thinking center of mass shots, on torso sized targets, out to 500.
I just don't shoot too much long range target/paper with .223.
Also, I considered weight, in addition to size (footprint).
The S&B 5-25X Ultra Short is a super scope, but the smaller windage/elevation knobs are pretty small if you plan on doing a lot of dialing.
Where it really shines is behind a NVD clip-on.
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