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    Concealed Carry while defecating

    How best to carry concealed in a public restroom is something I have often thought about. Glad this guy broached the topic in print. Do y'all have any tips to add?

    http://www.recoilweb.com/public-pott...edc-28395.html


    Weapon storage during that moment of vulnerability: Public bathroom breaks and your EDC…
    There is a topic that comes up quite often among those who carry a pistol every day, or are training to do, but it only rarely presents itself in an open forum. It is more of an after-hour or after-class “Hey, got a minute?“ scenario. I thought this would be a good time and opportunity to propose the question in an open format and get guys thinking on how to safely keep positive control of your handgun while taking that needed break away from your personal porcelain. This topic is frequently broached thusly:
    “What do you do with your handgun in a public bathroom during, you know, a … sit down session?”
    For the last few decades, I have had a gun on me in nearly every public scenario I can think of and in all sorts of clothing situations, from undercover mode to full SWAT kit. Now since my retirement, I fit in with the rest of the populace with everyday carry, and always concealed.
    No matter the venue, if you forget your heater in a public bathroom and aren’t lucky enough to remember quickly and retrieve it, you can guarantee that there will be a seemingly unending series of problems. These will run the gamut of consequences. If the police are contacted, you may eventually get it back, but there is certainly possibility of criminal charges (weapon recovery and charges will depend on a lot of stuff) . The absolute worst case scenario of course is, finders, keepers. The latter then could result in any sort of tragedy, whether it is discovered by a curious child and they are injured or it ends up in the hands of someone taking criminal action later. Both will come back around to haunt you. As responsible armed individuals, we need to ensure the security of our firearm is addressed in all likely situations, even the ones rarely discussed in polite society.
    So how do we keep track of the hollow point dispenser while taking a seat and doing that needed paperwork?
    Over the years I have found that once the pants reach knee height, I can re-fasten my belt in a hasty fashion. Some belts lend themselves to this more readily than others and a QD buckle such as the one used (mine is an Ares Gear Enhanced Ranger) is easiest to for this. I then lower the rig the rest of the way as I come to rest in that final position. This method will keep the pistol upright and it never leaves the holster, so there is zero chance of it being left behind. I have found that you may have to keep your feet spread apart slightly depending on your belt and holster selection, but with this sort of carry setup it is a very effective way of keeping control of your handgun.
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    Recently I have been carrying my M&P in a Raven Concealment Systems Vanguard II minimalist appendix holster. This offered a new problem in that the single quick mount strap would not retain the upright position, and of course it is carried in the appendix position. I have found the best solution with this concealed carry option to be unclipping the QMS strap and placing the gun in my pants crotch, with the VGII trigger guard still attached.
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    There are a few reasons for this: I know where it is. There is zero chance I leave that bathroom and forget it. If I forget it for a second, I will quickly realize it once I pull up and catch it in the doo-dads … then I can simply snap up, reattach the VGII and buckle up. Tactically speaking, it is where I can still feasibly get to it should I need it in that vulnerable moment I am currently in, and the trigger is still covered. This method can also be used with a paddle or similar style holster that can be removed once the belt is unbuckled. The one pictured is an RCS Phantom LB with QMS Straps.
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    Your setup will drive how you can safely control your handgun in this scenario. But I leave you with this: Keeping it on you or attached to you will greatly reduce the chances of losing that handgun. Keeping it in the holster, whether attached to the belt or not, minimizes the risk of a negligent discharge.
    MJ
    About the author: Matt Jacques...

    Read more: http://www.recoilweb.com/public-pott...#ixzz3MwyMAC5U
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    Nice! If I'm carrying OWB I try to keep my waistband high and then I basically cover the gun/holster with the leg of my boxer shorts. If carrying IWB I do the drop it in the crotch and then cover it with my shorts method. The whole reclosing the belt and trying to hold it up with leg tension seems like a lot of effort. I like to focus my attention elsewhere at times like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TF82 View Post
    I like to focus my attention elsewhere at times like that.
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    I shouldn't have clicked on the link to the original post. Those photos cannot be unseen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
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    I think he means focusing as is "pushing one out" rather than directing effort to keep his pants up. lol.

    On a related corollary: I am the only one that hates urinals? There you are just standing, your back turned to everyone and everything with your unit in your hand taking a piss. You are vulnerable and, as with most urinal designs, your head is close to the valve/pipes which makes for an easy incapacitation if it was pushed forward into them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrysimons View Post
    I think he means focusing as is "pushing one out" rather than directing effort to keep his pants up. lol.
    Multi tasking!
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    Adult Diapers....poof, problem solved.
    To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society. --Theodore Roosevelt--

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBK View Post
    Adult Diapers....poof, problem solved.
    Boom, done. 'Would deter muggers too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrysimons View Post
    I think he means focusing as is "pushing one out" rather than directing effort to keep his pants up. lol.

    On a related corollary: I am the only one that hates urinals? There you are just standing, your back turned to everyone and everything with your unit in your hand taking a piss. You are vulnerable and, as with most urinal designs, your head is close to the valve/pipes which makes for an easy incapacitation if it was pushed forward into them.
    For the reasons you laid out, I don't use urinals unless the bathroom itself has a lockable door and I'm the only one in the bathroom. If it's a bathroom without a lockable door, I go into a lockable stall. If there's no lockable door or lockable stall available, I go elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
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    Man, how did you know what I was doing when I typed that?

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