Do these guys look like they provide quality instruction?

**llO0DQLE** · 01-25-15, 13:33

I am in Canada and the only training classes available in my province (state) is from these guys, Shadowforce.ca. I am civilian, no LE/Mil experience, but from watching their videos, it gives me a feeling that it's all gimmicky and not real quality training. I could be wrong, but I was wondering what the experienced guys here think. I've watched videos from LAV, Proctor, Magpul (Costa/Haley), McNamara, VTAC, read AARS of training classes from reputable instructors in the US and I've never seen/heard of instructors dumping student's heads in a bucket of water and then shooting a pistol (see their Tactical Pistol 2 video).

http://www.shadowforce.ca/videos/

Instructors' Resumes:

http://www.shadowforce.ca/instructors/chad-english/

http://www.shadowforce.ca/instructor...rs-3/dudley-d/

http://www.shadowforce.ca/instructor...ructor-carl-t/

http://www.shadowforce.ca/instructor...uctor-david-k/

**Mr blasty** · 01-25-15, 14:47

The videos look really gimmicky to me.

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**26 Inf** · 01-25-15, 23:22

One of the things that I look for when watching videos is where the course instructors are; are they coaching, are they actively monitoring safety, or are they just demoing and saying 'okay do this, go?' while they stand and watch. I didn't see much interaction with students - other than getting them wet - in the videos.

I also was not wild about the drill where two folks were holding up the edge of the target while the dude shot prone - as he drew for the first drill if he didn't muzzle the guy on the left he came pretty close.

**SpeedRacer** · 01-26-15, 00:13

Looks like a great place to learn how to jump over, run through, and slide into puddles.

Really though I saw lots of gimmicky moves, absolutely nothing of any substance, and several safety issues. The one handed support side draw at around 50 seconds into the "tactical pistol 2" video had me absolutely cringing.

**Slab** · 01-27-15, 21:44

[QUOTE=SpeedRacer;2070282]Looks like a great place to learn how to jump over, run through, and slide into puddles.

^^^^^^^^^^
I'm good to go on that now...
Good stuff...I'll have to incorporate the "bobbing for pistol" in to the repertoire...

**dmcutter** · 01-28-15, 12:27

Can someone HSLD explain to me the applicability of the head in the bucket drill? Is that for the rare instance when someone is trying to drown you and you manage to escape and then chase and shoot them? I may go one better and take my USP next time I go diving at the quarry and see how it shoots underwater...