Medical Cannabis Discussion

[WillBrink]

that is a wide brush you paint with

Might be helpful to quote who you're referring to and why...

[LockenLoad]

Might be helpful to quote who you're referring to and why...

I thought I did probably better that I did not, I will say this I don't think big pharma wants it, so you will not get it, do we see any cures for cancer nope, despite untold billions of dollars poured into research. It is not a level playing field for alternative medicine for lack of a better term, no one is in the business of curing anything just treating at outrageous rates, we let this opioid epidemic happen it was pure greed, now they make money hooking the fools on methadone or suboxone, to say I am dismayed at the system is an understatement. When the medical field can come up with more than here let me poison you to cure cancer, let me make you an addict to relieve you're pain I will put more stock in a peer review.

[LockenLoad]

When I saw the source I thought "WTF?" knowing that's not happening in FL, and unlikely to ever happen in FL. Clicking on it, I see it's socialist paradise of Hawaii. Similar was posted in the other thread on legalization discussions where this is focused on possible medical uses.

Having said that, this appears a perfect end run around the 2A for anti gun states as an easy way to grab guns. If I were in a state that had legal MM but was anti gun, I'd be hard pressed seeing that to use MM. Yet again, choosing between viable low toxicity treatment over a Cont Right, which sucks donkey nads and further illiterates their true intent

don't be so sure

[WillBrink]

Needs to be confirmed in humans, but the non psychoactive component of cannabis could be useful in healing bone fractures:

A new study published in the Journal of Bone and Mineral Research by Tel Aviv University and Hebrew University researchers explores another promising new medical application for marijuana. According to the research, the administration of the non-psychotropic component cannabinoid cannabidiol (CBD) significantly helps heal bone fractures. The study, conducted on rats with mid-femoral fractures, found that CBD — even when isolated from tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the major psychoactive component of cannabis — markedly enhanced the healing process of the femora after just eight weeks.

The research was led jointly by Dr. Yankel Gabet of the Bone Research Laboratory at the Department of Anatomy and Anthropology at TAU's Sackler Faculty of Medicine and the late Prof. Itai Bab of Hebrew University's Bone Laboratory.

Cont:

https://www.aftau.org/weblog-medicin...3-965217752aaa

[Irish]

Very promising.

[WillBrink]

Several studies find cannabis use is associated with a big reduction in alcoholic liver disease and nonalcoholic fatty liver. Mechanism unclear but may be due to anti inflammatory effects, and improvements in insulin and glucose metabolism:

Cannabis use is associated with reduced prevalence of progressive stages of alcoholic liver disease

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1111/liv.13696

And:

Inverse association of marijuana use with nonalcoholic fatty liver disease among adults in the United States

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5648282/

[Hmac]

It's hard for me to keep perspective on medical marijuana since I practice in Minnesota where it's available only in pill form, can't be smoked, can't be baked into brownies, which vastly impairs its attractiveness to the general public. NOT a high profile medical treatment around here...tends to be the really desperate and the true believers that avail themselves of that system. In the meantime, there's a huge social pressure surrounding marijuana and its legalization, which drives the touting of a lot of these low-level studies well beyond anything that even begins to approach clinical relevance, at least for the time being. There is nothing that comes even close the representing the "miraculous breakthrough" that would be necessary to get broad-based attention on the medical merits alone and get any form of cannabis off DEA Schedule 1. In the meantime, very few doctors, and none that I know, want to chance the possibility that their name is going to show up on a list that lands on Attorney General Sessions' desk and that he might forward on to the DEA.

[WillBrink]

It's hard for me to keep perspective on medical marijuana since I practice in Minnesota where it's available only in pill form, can't be smoked, can't be baked into brownies, which vastly impairs its attractiveness to the general public. NOT a high profile medical treatment around here...tends to be the really desperate and the true believers that avail themselves of that system. In the meantime, there's a huge social pressure surrounding marijuana and its legalization, which drives the touting of a lot of these low-level studies well beyond anything that even begins to approach clinical relevance, at least for the time being. There is nothing that comes even close the representing the "miraculous breakthrough" that would be necessary to get broad-based attention on the medical merits alone and get any form of cannabis off DEA Schedule 1. In the meantime, very few doctors, and none that I know, want to chance the possibility that their name is going to show up on a list that lands on Attorney General Sessions' desk and that he might forward on to the DEA.

In states with medical M, it's not smoked as one can't get a predictable dose. Pills, metered vaporizers and other standardized dosing methods used. In states where it's legalized to recreational use, you get the classic head shop, which is a whole different thing, with brownies. etc. Medical use is also standardized to ratios of CBD/THC, etc, so low/non THC stuff used, and so forth. I was very impressed with the medical dispensary I visited in FL. As discussed, until the DEA scheduling is dropped, will we see the level and types of data you et al would like to see, as would I. That's the catch 22 there. I however feel there's more than enough data to use MM in some conditions, and fond docs willing to try it. Good news for the industry, Trump apparently does not support Sessions in his outdated zeal against MM:

http://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-...arijuana-rider

It's interesting to note that opioid use lower in states that eased laws, quite to opposite of the gateway fears. There's no doubt in my mind at all, and a ton of clinical experience to support it, that use of MM can and will reduce the use of various meds for various diseases, and addictions, that's far less problematic to the meds/approached currently in use.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...marijuana-laws

[LockenLoad]

It's hard for me to keep perspective on medical marijuana since I practice in Minnesota where it's available only in pill form, can't be smoked, can't be baked into brownies, which vastly impairs its attractiveness to the general public. NOT a high profile medical treatment around here...tends to be the really desperate and the true believers that avail themselves of that system. In the meantime, there's a huge social pressure surrounding marijuana and its legalization, which drives the touting of a lot of these low-level studies well beyond anything that even begins to approach clinical relevance, at least for the time being. There is nothing that comes even close the representing the "miraculous breakthrough" that would be necessary to get broad-based attention on the medical merits alone and get any form of cannabis off DEA Schedule 1. In the meantime, very few doctors, and none that I know, want to chance the possibility that their name is going to show up on a list that lands on Attorney General Sessions' desk and that he might forward on to the DEA.

You have pretty much said all this in previous posts, funny how doctors are free to make opioid addicts without much thought, but not take a chance with MM for fear of the feds, so much for the hippocratic oath

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[kerplode]

In states with medical M, it's not smoked as one can't get a predictable dose. Pills, metered vaporizers and other standardized dosing methods used. In states where it's legalized to recreational use, you get the classic head shop, which is a whole different thing, with brownies. etc. Medical use is also standardized to ratios of CBD/THC, etc, so low/non THC stuff used, and so forth.

Maybe where you are but, FWIW, none of that is true in CO. Med patients can buy and smoke high THC flower and eat brownies until their heads explode. None of that changed with passage of rec either.

Edited to add:

Here are the main differences between med and rec in CO:
- Med has higher possession limits
- Med is not subjects to the same taxes as Rec
- Med can purchase edibles with a higher unit dose of THC than Rec (Rec is 10mg THC/dose)

Licensed growers have to track plants grown under their Rec license separately from their Med license, so Med patients sometimes have access to different flower strains, but otherwise one can buy all the same stuff in a Rec shop as with a Med card.