Ar (and other military style rifles) poor choice for self defense?

[Iraqgunz]

You're citing a case that has been puppetted for years. McFadden used a machine gun. He was targeted by an anti-gun prosecutor. The mindset of people has changed and so have the laws. Many states have Caste Doctrine or Stand Your Ground Laws to address this.

I can probably find at least 3 cases right now of semi-auto rifles being used by civilians that resulted in no criminal charges.

iirc it was community collegest

Hate to say it but the general public as well as judges and prosecutors tend to be clueless and misinformed when it comes to guns.
Take the gary fadden incident as an example of how you can take it in the ass and be in debt for 10 years for defending youself with a scary gun.
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.co...ncident.11941/

[Uprange41]

Exactly. This whole thing is nonsense. You aren't going to be charged if the shooting was legit. This study was done 6 years ago and was discussed previously at one point IIRC. Bottom line is that I am going to use the most effective weapon I am that I am the most competent with and some ridiculous study by so-called legal experts isn't going to change that.

Yep. It's like people forget that the goal of any defensive encounter is to survive.

[gunnut12]

You're citing a case that has been puppetted for years. McFadden used a machine gun. He was targeted by an anti-gun prosecutor. The mindset of people has changed and so have the laws. Many states have Caste Doctrine or Stand Your Ground Laws to address this.

I can probably find at least 3 cases right now of semi-auto rifles being used by civilians that resulted in no criminal charges.

it was a machine gun, but it was legal, just like everyones AR.
Yes I'm sure the majority of cases result in no criminal charges. That doesn't really change anything though. The possibility is very real that you may be charged, and a scary looking gun isn't going to help in any way.

Odds are you will most likely be fine... most likely.

[Iraqgunz]

You're missing the point entirely. When that incident happened, NFA was not nearly as mainstream as today. Whether the weapon was legal or not, doesn't matter. I don't know what state you live in nor does it matter. Unless the shoot was unlawful, the weapon or ammo will be irrelevant.

Can we find a few cases sure. Just like there are plenty of cases of self defense shootings that legal when they started and ended up in criminal charges because the other party did something unlawful afterwards (pursuing the suspect and shooting him in the back 2 blocks away, delivering a coupe de grace, etc....

it was a machine gun, but it was legal, just like everyones AR.
Yes I'm sure the majority of cases result in no criminal charges. That doesn't really change anything though. The possibility is very real that you may be charged, and a scary looking gun isn't going to help you should it go to jury.

Odds are you will most likely be fine... most likely.

[titsonritz]

That was a lot of presumptuous, emotional dribble and I wish I hadn't read it.

I got though about a paragraph and a half before I said screw this crap. You guys can have this one.

[JC5188]

Deleted...already been covered.

[R0CKETMAN]

recall Dr Hupp's parents were killed if it's her I'm thinking of...Lubbys cafeteria. She's Pro NRA.....

[GH41]

I agree with the findings of the study. It is sad but true. Perception doesn't trump the law but I can see how it could influence a mind numb jury. 22 year old single mom kills intruder with a frying pan vs 22 year old high school dropout kills intruder with AK47... Which one would you rather defend in this political climate?

[BoringGuy45]

Don't make no sense, but a jury of "peers" is apt to be full of people like your idiot co-worker. Scary stuff. They vote too.

This is one of the reasons being friendly and teachers/ambassadors of the Gun is important to me.

Yeah, but the fact remains that using a scary looking gun doesn't suddenly give probable cause to arrest someone in otherwise open and shut case of self defense. I might worry if someone drove up my driveway and, with no reason to suspect that they're up to no good, I still decide to unload a whole 30 round mag into their vehicle. Some convicted rapist kicks down my door in the middle of the night looking to kill me and rape my wife, I don't think I have to worry if I use my AR.

[Joelski]

I keep a 9 on the bedside table for things that go bump in the night, and an 870 under the bed for when I don't have my contacts in.