MAC's VP9 test.

[Hart]

I'm excited for your test on youtube using this control.

Wait till the one comes out on how it holds up to pubic hair and butt crack dander carrying it bareback

[TheChunkNorris]

Well this thread is about the HK VP9 not Glock. Butthurt fanboys of any specific gun are obnoxious. I made a comment about specifically HK fanboys since we're talking about the VP-9 here. The butthurt ones so angry at MAC over his original torture "test" on his first VP9 last year. Reading their comments they are pissed a man that spent his own money and owns the gun in question has the audacity to test it and it doesn't live up to expectations. I'd be pissed too if I bought a VP9 and it can't handle a little water or mud. They also continue the tired "German engineering" angle, as if because something is made in a specific country, it must be either good to go or junk.

My Glocks are nowhere near perfection but I still carry them because they go bang every time, and I don't feel like switching to a new platform.

The fact still remains that the Glock fanboys are just as obnoxious as HK fanboys... It's a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Not too long ago you guys were defending the Gen4 when they were legitimately failing and there was severe butthurt. I find it funny that the info on the new Gen5(or 4.5... don't know what they're calling it) failing for a local PD has gone dark after said PD sent all of them back.

You're right though this is VP9 thread so it's to be expected and there's been a lot of interesting and good info for both sides of the argument. Will this change my opinion of the VP9? Nope not at all, my carry gun is a P7M8 and my "training" pistol is a USP9. My particular collection has CZ, Colt, West German Sigs, and Rugers scattered amongst a lot of HK.

I can't stand the Yankee Marshall but he was upfront and said he didn't like the VP9 upfront. I can respect that and he pointed out some legitimate gripes. MAC said it was awesome and great but then trashed it... "it's a range gun". Yet certain pistols(and rifles especially Sig) he tested never got that type of criticism. If you can't see that, then you're blind to the fact he is indeed a shill. That has been the main basis of the HK crowd from day one so take that with a grain of salt. I can't fault him because he's making his money which is great for him but reading some of the responses are laughable.

[Rinspeed]

My response on one of the other forums,

I'm sorry but that's a bunch of crap in my opinion. I've owned 50 or 60 guns in the last 40 years and not a single one of my purchases was influenced by some goofball with a youtube account and a video camera.

[Trunkmonkey4]

Haven't read the entire thread, but I work at an indoor range and our rental VP9 just broke today -- Trigger will not reset.

[Rinspeed]

In pristine environments this gun is great, and for 99% of people those are the conditions it is going to be in (AKA range/CCW). It is also extremely shootable and has great ergos. But anyone who carries in environment where there is sand/mud/gunky shit these tests should at least give you pause.

In pristine environments this gun is great; So if a VP9 get's a little water splashed on they won't work. Is that what you are saying?

[TheChunkNorris]

In pristine environments this gun is great; So if a VP9 get's a little water splashed on they won't work. Is that what you are saying?

The VP9 will shoot under water with the correct seal... no different than a Glock with or without the water cup upgrades.

There's a clip of a VP9 shooting while submerged in a water tank at :51 seconds in the vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZL8H_UGQqE&sns=em

[Adrenaline_6]

Haven't read the entire thread, but I work at an indoor range and our rental VP9 just broke today -- Trigger will not reset.

Did this happen after it was put back together? It seems if the TRS spring is put back incorrectly or is broken. This happens.

[WickedWillis]

The fact still remains that the Glock fanboys are just as obnoxious as HK fanboys... It's a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Not too long ago you guys were defending the Gen4 when they were legitimately failing and there was severe butthurt. I find it funny that the info on the new Gen5(or 4.5... don't know what they're calling it) failing for a local PD has gone dark after said PD sent all of them back.

You're right though this is VP9 thread so it's to be expected and there's been a lot of interesting and good info for both sides of the argument. Will this change my opinion of the VP9? Nope not at all, my carry gun is a P7M8 and my "training" pistol is a USP9. My particular collection has CZ, Colt, West German Sigs, and Rugers scattered amongst a lot of HK.

I can't stand the Yankee Marshall but he was upfront and said he didn't like the VP9 upfront. I can respect that and he pointed out some legitimate gripes. MAC said it was awesome and great but then trashed it... "it's a range gun". Yet certain pistols(and rifles especially Sig) he tested never got that type of criticism. If you can't see that, then you're blind to the fact he is indeed a shill. That has been the main basis of the HK crowd from day one so take that with a grain of salt. I can't fault him because he's making his money which is great for him but reading some of the responses are laughable.

Try being a big fan of Glock AND HK on the internet battlefield. I have to fight both groups on other sites

[TheChunkNorris]

Try being a big fan of Glock AND HK on the internet battlefield. I have to fight both groups on other sites

The funny thing is I find Glocks to be a great pistol, I don't own any but would like to have a 17 or 19 in my collection. They're the "tuner" pistol of the firearms world so they're extremely popular and other than the awful trigger(which can be remedied by a multi million dollar aftermarket industry), I believe it's a solid choice. With that said, I prefer my HK's for multiple reason that apply to me and me alone.

[WickedWillis]

The funny thing is I find Glocks to be a great pistol, I don't own any but would like to have a 17 or 19 in my collection. They're the "tuner" pistol of the firearms world so they're extremely popular and other than the awful trigger(which can be remedied by a multi million dollar aftermarket industry), I believe it's a solid choice. With that said, I prefer my HK's for multiple reason that apply to me and me alone.

I have always liked the Glock trigger, and it's still the trigger I have fired the most. I love the reset as well. I thought it was amazing. until I shot the VP9 and the PPQ and felt what striker-fired triggers really could be. I keep my carry G19 trigger stock though, because I can predict everything about it. I'm working more and more to get comfortable on that level with my P30L trigger as well, but let's be he honest it's not a very good trigger. I view Glocks as a great option for new shooters who only need one handgun, and I recommend them all the time. They don't do anything the best, but they do several things as well. I also think the G19 is a perfect sized handgun in relation to carry with maximum capacity. Of course, YMMV.

With MAC's issues he's encountered with the VP9, I am still curious as to why he hasn't put other HK handguns through this course yet? I would like to see the P30 series and even the USP run this course down. Sig had two different runs so far, why not HK. Until I personally have an issue with a firearm I like, I will keep shooting and enjoying them.