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    Last time I checked, you and I have no mental telepathy connection so I am not sure how you know what I am or am not thinking.

    If you sign a loan agreement or other document prepared by a professional and you failed to read or understand it and then sign it, you also bear the burden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conrad101st View Post
    The buyer wanted 7.62, the seller agreed, the buyer paid his cash, and the seller is the professional who is supposed to have his shit wired tight and probably prepared the form 4 in error. I simply think the seller should make he buyer whole or compensate him for the mistake. You may think its chickenshit but I bet the buyer would win in small claims court.



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    Exactly. The deal could have still been stopped. People make mistakes. The dealer offered to fix it, and he doesn't want to wait. Not so sure the dealer is a douche in this case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Well as BW said, you could have canceled the transfer right then and there and gotten your $200 back. The instructions to do so are right on the form itself, no need to scratch your heads. But now that you knowingly took delivery, your option is to sell it privately in-state for only 1 tax.

    Who was this douchebag dealer?



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    We have no idea since we can't see the Form 4. Sounds to me like the receipt didn't jive with the Form 4. No where does he indicate that the Form 4 was messed up with incorrect information. If it is, then that's a whole other issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    One party in this transaction was a licensed professional making a profit, the other was a customer relying on said professional. In civil court (as it should in the real world), that would assign the majority responsibility to the dealer. I'd say 70-80%?

    Regardless, the deed is done. My question would be whether the Form 4 has an incorrect description of the registered item? If so, something has to be corrected, or no one will be able to resell it. Either way, the dealer should be responsible for contacting BATFE and ascertaining what needs to be done. I doubt they'd be willing to correct the serial number to one corresponding to the suppressor that should've been grabbed from the back, but if you spoke to the right person, in the right way, backed up with the Form 4 saying it should be a 7.62, who knows?

    Either way, the dealer needs to help fix things. Sounds to me like he wants to at least do something, which is good.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Not so sure the dealer is a douche in this case.
    Seems he bought a 762 silencer, and dealer filed F4 for a 556 silencer. Maybe not a DB but a doofus for sure.

    Also did he get a refund on the cost differential?

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    I figured all that out as well. The OP can answer that better than I can, since a lot of info was still missing. I also see where they offered to do something and he declined because of the wait.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Seems he bought a 762 silencer, and dealer filed F4 for a 556 silencer. Maybe not a DB but a doofus for sure.

    Also did he get a refund on the cost differential?



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    When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter if you fill out the forms or let your dealer, you are the one that signs and dates the form stating everything is correct. At that point, any inaccuracies on the form are on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBK View Post
    When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter if you fill out the forms or let your dealer, you are the one that signs and dates the form stating everything is correct. At that point, any inaccuracies on the form are on you.
    By "you", you mean the dealer right? As the customer does not have to sign the f4 for a silencer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    By "you", you mean the dealer right? As the customer does not have to sign the f4 for a silencer.
    Depends on whether, "you" the consumer is filing the Form 4 as an individual or with a trust. But, regardless, the consumer is the one that should be making sure the form is filled out correctly.
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    The papers were filled for a Surefire 762, this happened back in September btw, he took it out of the case and I was looking at it and agreed to buy it and a surefire muzzle attachment, he then in the back to grab a new in box silencer- that's where the problem happened. He must of grabbed one for a 556. Its really not a big deal. He wrote down the serial number of the silencer, made a copy of my trust and I paid for it, he then put the silencer in a plastic box with my name on it until the Batfe approved the sale. This dealer sells upwards of 500 class III items and weapons a month and has over 2000 silencers on hold sitting in a back room. The guy who runs the place wasn't involved in the sale, it was a salesman that filled out the paperwork but the store owner is the one who discovered the problem when he was reviewing the paperwork. I chose to keep it because I paid for it and I don't mind having another 556 silencer. The dealer is a good dealer and I have never had any problems with them, and I don't see this as a problem but a simple human mistake. This dealer has there own full time lawyer so they are paying for the amendment to have the description of 762 converted to 556 to match the serial #.

    Having said that, if I found someone with a NFA trust who has a surefire 762 and was willing to trade for a surefire 556, would we still have to pay $200 and wait or can we do a even trade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elephant View Post
    Having said that, if I found someone with a NFA trust who has a surefire 762 and was willing to trade for a surefire 556, would we still have to pay $200 and wait or can we do a even trade?
    Trade would be $400, as in $200 each. And you still wait for the f4s. There is no shortcut on this.
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