Falcon Heights MN: Woman Films Scene After Police Shoot Her Boyfriend

[Bulletdog]

I agree with you Will. I don't see this as a 2A issue. Someone could make the case that this is an officer training issue, or that it is an civilian training issue, but I don't see how the man's 2A rights were violated.

Further, I am still reluctant to make a call on this one. I can't see what the officer saw. Not saying it was a good shoot. Not saying it was a bad shoot. More evidence could convince me either way.

[Bulletdog]

The same people that always do and that have an agenda.

Within mere seconds I can copy and paste a list of youtube video links of at least twenty officer involved shootings where White people were killed under questionable circumstances, some even by Black LEOs. No riots. No DoJ Civil Rights Division witch hunts, no MSM spin, et al.

I hear ya'. It was more of a rhetorical question. What I should have said was: "The race of the officer and the race of the man who was shot are, and should be, irrelevant." There is zero evidence that anyone's race had anything to do with this sad event.

It is a tragedy that half of our society wants to make a race issue out of something that isn't so that they can further destroy and deconstruct our once great country.

[WillBrink]

After watching the video, I have a very distinct impression that were possibly many other factors contributing, such as failure to comply with officer instructions and possible chemical impairment. IMHO, if the deceased would have kept his hands on the steering wheel and complied with instruction, I don't think there would have been the same outcome. The guy was not shot because he was legally carrying IMHO...

IMHO, it was a justified shoot. I'm not sure I would have reacted the same way if I was the LEO in that situation, but I was not there, so I won't speculate as we cannot see what the officer saw. Now I'm done.

This is not that hard... It's not a 2A issue, the officer was instructing him not to reach for it, repeatedly. He apparently did not comply.

Plus the fact he was totally stoned (the in system) pretty much invalidates his ccw permissions in every state I'm aware of. Be the same if drunk and white.

I agree with you Will. I don't see this as a 2A issue. Someone could make the case that this is an officer training issue, or that it is an civilian training issue, but I don't see how the man's 2A rights were violated.

Further, I am still reluctant to make a call on this one. I can't see what the officer saw. Not saying it was a good shoot. Not saying it was a bad shoot. More evidence could convince me either way.

Well, we all seem on the same page that this is not a 2A issue per se, but it seems to have gotten traction from various corners, some unexpected, a being a 2A issue.

[RetroRevolver77]

The cop did ask for his license and registration over the tail light issues. Castile complies. Then informs the officer he is carrying. What we can't tell is if Castile was still reaching around inside the car but the officer did keep ordering him not to pull the firearm out. I think the officer could have ordered him to keep his hands on the steering wheel instead of just don't pull it out. Either way, it was a break down somewhere in communication or the officer perceived a threat.


Officer; "You have your license and insurance."

Castile then hands the officer his license and insurance.

Castile; "Sir I do have to tell you I do have a firearm on me."

Officer; "Don't reach for it then."

Officer; "Don't pull it (firearm) out."

Castile; "I'm not pulling it out."

Officer; "Don't pull it out."

Officer then starts firing and stops firing.

Reynolds; "You just killed my boyfriend."

Castile's last words; "I wasn't reaching."

Reynolds; "He wasn't reaching."

Officer; "Don't pull it out."

Reynolds; "He wasn't."

Officer; "Don't move."


Video starts at 0:35;



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[Bulletdog]

Yet you are discussing color and feeding into the bullshit as well.

You have a point, but I would counter with the fact that sitting silently and allowing utter BS to stand has gotten us all nowhere good.

I don't consider pointing out lies and refuting BS and double standards as "feeding into it". Our side can no longer stand by silently and righteously while their side jumps up and down yelling lies and casting dispersion at the top of their lungs every day. We know we are right, and we'd prefer to avoid non-sensical confrontation, so we do nothing while they carry on. A lie told often enough becomes the truth, UNLESS someone challenges it and shoots it down. We HAVE to counter their false argument. I appreciate and support MK for knocking this utter non-sense down, and clearly demonstrating the hypocrisy and fallacy of the left and BLM.

[SomeOtherGuy]

I'm not seeing why it needs to go that way and was intended to open discussion RE what is infringement of 2A Rights during a non criminal stop and what's not. Some feel this event was an infringement on his 2A Rights (regardless of color) as he was a legal CCW holder.

After trying to figure out what really happened in the Castile shooting I can't find anything I find reliable and convincing. I had written out some comments and then deleted them on edit. Too many people have taken rigid positions one way or the other and I don't want to enter into such arguments.

If any otherwise law-abiding CCW holder is shot in a traffic stop, I think that's a 2A issue. I'm not saying that's what happened here because I can't tell. Sometimes it's best to avoid debates where there aren't enough facts, and that's why I pulled my first comment. I commend those others who recognize the uncertainties here and are OK stopping there, rather than choosing a side just because it's the team they ordinarily root for.

[WickedWillis]

You have a point, but I would counter with the fact that sitting silently and allowing utter BS to stand has gotten us all nowhere good.

I don't consider pointing out lies and refuting BS and double standards as "feeding into it". Our side can no longer stand by silently and righteously while their side jumps up and down yelling lies and casting dispersion at the top of their lungs every day. We know we are right, and we'd prefer to avoid non-sensical confrontation, so we do nothing while they carry on. A lie told often enough becomes the truth, UNLESS someone challenges it and shoots it down. We HAVE to counter their false argument. I appreciate and support MK for knocking this utter non-sense down, and clearly demonstrating the hypocrisy and fallacy of the left and BLM.

Many legitimately don't care about the number of whites killed by Cops in the US, unless it is used as an argument to throw in the faces of people talking about Cops killing blacks.

There is no side to take here. You're all being played by special interest group bullshit. It's not blacks vs cops vs whites vs cops. They want all of us to be divided, they want all of us to hate each other so we as a society get to where we are docile and tame. It's bullshit. Race only seems to matter if it aligns with your (not yours personally) point of view on things.

[Watrdawg]

Many legitimately don't care about the number of whites killed by Cops in the US, unless it is used as an argument to throw in the faces of people talking about Cops killing blacks.

There is no side to take here. You're all being played by special interest group bullshit. It's not blacks vs cops vs whites vs cops. They want all of us to be divided, they want all of us to hate each other so we as a society get to where we are docile and tame. It's bullshit. Race only seems to matter if it aligns with your (not yours personally) point of view on things.

WW you hit it right on the nail head!! All of this is purposely brought to light to drive a wedge between peoples of our country and to sow discord among us.

[WillBrink]

After trying to figure out what really happened in the Castile shooting I can't find anything I find reliable and convincing. I had written out some comments and then deleted them on edit. Too many people have taken rigid positions one way or the other and I don't want to enter into such arguments.

If any otherwise law-abiding CCW holder is shot in a traffic stop, I think that's a 2A issue. I'm not saying that's what happened here because I can't tell. Sometimes it's best to avoid debates where there aren't enough facts, and that's why I pulled my first comment. I commend those others who recognize the uncertainties here and are OK stopping there, rather than choosing a side just because it's the team they ordinarily root for.

To that end, RE the second part of my post:

"I have no issues with making sure the LEO and myself are kept safe per making sure ID, etc handy and all that, but should an officer decide to handcuff me "for his own safety" would not be OK. I have heard of that happening to people. Putting someone in handcuffs while legally CCWing having broken no laws because the LEO decides it makes he/she feel better would be infringing on my 2A Rights in my view. I do not want to be treated like a criminal having broken no laws because the LEO simply does not trust me."

Thoughts on that?

[Bulletdog]

Many legitimately don't care about the number of whites killed by Cops in the US, unless it is used as an argument to throw in the faces of people talking about Cops killing blacks.

There is no side to take here. You're all being played by special interest group bullshit. It's not blacks vs cops vs whites vs cops. They want all of us to be divided, they want all of us to hate each other so we as a society get to where we are docile and tame. It's bullshit. Race only seems to matter if it aligns with your (not yours personally) point of view on things.

I understand this concept, but who are "they" and why do "they" want to do this?

Also, if we are all divided and hate each other, how does that make anyone docile or tame?

Have you thought this through far enough? My point is that allowing this un-checked BS to be repeated over and over, plays into 'their" hands. When people like you, me or MK call BS and say, "Hey, no, that's not right, there really isn't a problem of racist cops running around indiscriminately killing black people for no reason other than skin color, and I'm not going to sit by and listen to it anymore…" we are working to stop this problem of division amongst our fellow Americans.

I can't even count how many people who have seen things totally differently when I explain that I didn't particularly want to vote for Trump, but I did it to stop Socialism from taking over our country and ruining what our forefathers built. I explain that we fought two world wars over this topic and one. That Reagan stopped it again in the 80's, and that 30-40 years later its back again and we needs to kick its ass to the curb AGAIN! I attempt to convince them to stop helping the Socialists and start helping AMERICANS. I'm sure you can imagine the initial resistance, but you might not be able to realize how many people are looking to come around when things are presented the right way.

My goal is to stop the division by espousing the truth. Calling their lies lies does not add to the problem. It is one means to help stop the problem. And many of them are pissed at their liberal masters for duping them in this way. Get a democrat, or a black friend to watch something like this and watch the wheels turning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9Tn0anfHVg