What pistol for a steady diet of +P+, ?

[Coal Dragger]

The SIG P226 X5 would also be a good candidate for this dubious goal. All steel frame, using dimensions originally specific to aluminum alloy so there is extra strength. Plus this pistol has a dual recoil spring/buffer similar to the HK USP which is also an excellent candidate.

If you don't have to have a semiautomatic pistol for this duty there are some revolvers that would be ideal for this. In fact far better suited to it than a semi-auto. A Ruger Super Blackhawk in .357 Magnum with a 9mm conversion cylinder for example. Maybe one of the new Korth Mongoose .357's with the 9mm cylinder if you've got $$$ to burn. Either of those handguns, plus a few other revolvers with conversion cylinders wouldn't even notice a hot 9mm round. I doubt very seriously that a 9mm case can hold enough powder to damage a conversion cylinder in a revolver made as tank like as those mentioned.

[Gary1911A1]

I know you said "besides the Glock 17", but for the cost of the pistol and spare parts like the recoil spring unit you could buy two 17s' for what a HK USP would cost.

[scubadds]

You didn't specify 9mm, but based on the guns you mentioned I conclude that is what you meant...
I was looking at the HK mk23 again (sold the one I had a long time ago) but that is geared up for .45 Super; what a beasty gun;
But, went ahead and purchased a USP tactical .45 last week. Shot it this weekend with the tirant.
The USP line seems so robust;

I would think about a USP 9mm tactical, if it in the budget; it pretty sure it comes with a match trigger

[lowprone]

Sorry to dissapoint you, but I hope you never have to rely on it. It was co-developed by Austrian police with Hirtenberger so that it doesn't expand in bad guys at all. I have the official specs lying in front of me and can scan them if you want- and can read German. All it does is to prevent ricochetts better than FMJ.
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A soft tip that does not expand is counter intuitive.
I have shot several deer in 100llb + weight and everyone exited T&T w/5/8" permanent wound channel.
Pamphlets and spec sheets don't impress me much, 14" of transverse tissue destruction through shoulder
area exiting past last rib from a .38 cal. pistol does.
You act like i'm trying to sell you some but I'm not, I am genuinely impressed with this cartridge and I
imagine it would penetrate all but the best vests.

[Defaultmp3]

I imagine it would penetrate all but the best vests.

I highly doubt that, especially if it's a soft point bullet.

[lowprone]

Whatever

[WillBrink]

Whatever

Can you name another standard duty caliber in soft point or JHP that will "penetrate all but the best vests?" out of a pistol? If not, why would that one? You're not making a lot of sense in this thread.

[Firefly]

In all fairness, about 12 odd years ago Second Chance (or Point Blank, It's been a while but at the time they were the soft armor guys) let some bumsteers out the pasture. They were IIA and a .38 +P would tear through it. Those vests got recalled (I had one) but enough velocity would eat through them.

Today, no commercial round is going through the latest IIIA soft armor. Unless you use a rifle round or some weird Eastern European steel core 9mm AP, it isn't happening.

[WillBrink]

In all fairness, about 12 odd years ago Second Chance (or Point Blank, It's been a while but at the time they were the soft armor guys) let some bumsteers out the pasture. They were IIA and a .38 +P would tear through it. Those vests got recalled (I had one) but enough velocity would eat through them.

Today, no commercial round is going through the latest IIIA soft armor. Unless you use a rifle round or some weird Eastern European steel core 9mm AP, it isn't happening.

Understood, but were discussing latest bullet tech and latest vests, vs outdated bullet and vests...

[Dennis]

For stateside CCW or LE duty use I see no compelling need to base a weapon choice around a specialty round meant for a likely low probability specific situation.

Dennis.


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