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    I did find out that Brownells does not have an E type stock in the works right now. All they will have at this point is the D type. These will be correct for the following builds:

    Model 603 - XM16E1 and Early M16A1 (circa 1967-1970)
    Model 604
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    Early Model 651/652 (later production had the E type starting in 1971)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade04 View Post
    I would not wait to see if there is an "high grade" XM177 associated with Colt. I would also not rely on the Colt name. Most parts these days are manufactured by several companies that also are contracted to those who are producing military M16s, M4s, and M4A1s. If you are considering buying an XM177 reproduction, Troy has very nice XM177E2 and GAU-5/A/A clones that have been very well received from those who own them and have tested them. Colt is not into the reproduction game as evidenced by them farming out the M16A1 Reissue to US Ordnance. It was originally farmed out to US Armament, but they had to have the project re-routed since they could not devote the time and resources to the program. It is highly unlikely that the general public will know exactly what parts are used for these rifles. Only those who buy them will be able to see first hand what is there. Colt is not the only game in town and has not been for many years now. Troy Industries has done their homework on the line of reproductions they are putting out. They have paid attention to detail. They are also very reasonably priced, unlike Colt. Take a look at the Troy carbines and rifles.

    https://myservicerifle.com/troy-xm177e2/

    They do not have a M16A1 reproduction at this time. Here are two other models that they will be introducing.

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...sfod-d-ar-15s/
    Wondering if I might be better off getting a SP1 carbine and having it SBR'd and getting a functional "retro" flash hider / suppressor for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Wondering if I might be better off getting a SP1 carbine and having it SBR'd and getting a functional "retro" flash hider / suppressor for it.
    That would get my vote. Make it a XM-177E1, cut the barrel back to the FSB and put repro moderator on it. I always thought the '177E1 looked a lot cooler, they work well as long as you aren't shooting tracers.

    xm-177.JPG
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Wondering if I might be better off getting a SP1 carbine and having it SBR'd and getting a functional "retro" flash hider / suppressor for it.
    Not worth it in my opinion. Besides, I would never modify an original Colt SP1. Of course, you can always change out the barrel and save or sell the original one. The other thing is that using a Colt SP1 carbine would not net a XM177E1 or E2 clone. Because of the slickside upper, the only XM177 clone would be that of the Model 610/XM177 which had a 10" barrel with a 4.5" moderator.

    http://pullig.dyndns.org/retroblackr...rbGde/610.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by qsy View Post
    That would get my vote. Make it a XM-177E1, cut the barrel back to the FSB and put repro moderator on it. I always thought the '177E1 looked a lot cooler, they work well as long as you aren't shooting tracers.

    xm-177.JPG
    The issue there would be making sure that the gas port was opened up enough for proper cycling. It is more than just cutting the barrel. Besides, you will still have a 1/12 twist barrel and be pretty much restricted to 55 gr. ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade04 View Post
    Not worth it in my opinion. Besides, I would never modify an original Colt SP1. Of course, you can always change out the barrel and save or sell the original one. The other thing is that using a Colt SP1 carbine would not net a XM177E1 or E2 clone. Because of the slickside upper, the only XM177 clone would be that of the Model 610/XM177 which had a 10" barrel with a 4.5" moderator.

    http://pullig.dyndns.org/retroblackr...rbGde/610.html
    I'd be ok with that, I'm not a small feature purist. Probably just sources a nice "scratch and dent" SP1 carbine and have the barrel cut, crowned and ported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    I'd be ok with that, I'm not a small feature purist. Probably just sources a nice "scratch and dent" SP1 carbine and have the barrel cut, crowned and ported.
    I wouldn't want to see one of the dwelling numbers of sp1 carbines being ruined. to me thats like cutting the barrel on a Browning Citoria Shotgun because I want a SBS over under... back in 2004 i remember a bunch of old sp1 parts could be found in the gun stores and i don't remember how many guns were destroyed because of the AWB and many more end up in gun by backs. don't destroy a sp1 carbine. but if you do buy one put up some pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassIIIGunsmith View Post
    I wouldn't want to see one of the dwelling numbers of sp1 carbines being ruined. to me thats like cutting the barrel on a Browning Citoria Shotgun because I want a SBS over under... back in 2004 i remember a bunch of old sp1 parts could be found in the gun stores and i don't remember how many guns were destroyed because of the AWB and many more end up in gun by backs. don't destroy a sp1 carbine. but if you do buy one put up some pictures.
    Good point. I have to agree with this 100%. Don't part out the reminders just to make money off of others building clones and retros. Keep the old one together and use the equivalent contract parts to create the same thing. Reproductions don't always have to be that authentic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassIIIGunsmith View Post
    I wouldn't want to see one of the dwelling numbers of sp1 carbines being ruined. to me thats like cutting the barrel on a Browning Citoria Shotgun because I want a SBS over under... back in 2004 i remember a bunch of old sp1 parts could be found in the gun stores and i don't remember how many guns were destroyed because of the AWB and many more end up in gun by backs. don't destroy a sp1 carbine. but if you do buy one put up some pictures.
    Already have an original SP1 carbine. Not something I'd cut up or modify.



    But again, if I could find a suitable "scratch and dent" candidate that was really no longer collectible but could be salvaged for a XM177 project I'd do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Already have an original SP1 carbine. Not something I'd cut up or modify.



    But again, if I could find a suitable "scratch and dent" candidate that was really no longer collectible but could be salvaged for a XM177 project I'd do that.
    As I said before, there is no SP1 carbine that would be suitable for a XM177 project other than the early XM177 as they had slickside uppers and 10" barrels. Even in this case, I would not alter a SP1 carbine regardless of its condition if it was all original. I would, however, replace the existing barrel with a 10" A1 profile (pencil profile .625") barrel and save the original barrel. Other than this, I would undertake an XM177 project from a different route. Remember, Colt is just a name brand and nothing more. If you want the Colt rollmarks, start with an 80% lower, have it engraved with the correct rollmarks, mill it out, and have it anodized. You can acquire either a 604 or 603 upper receiver from Nodak Spud and have the NDS rollmark removed when ordering. You can then use the correct profile and length barrel of your choosing.
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