Originally Posted by
ramairthree
Spoilers ahead.
For the first season, the dual timeline came together in an interesting way. It worked.
It was more complex than linear story telling with known flashbacks and worked.
This seasons had its ups and downs. But the multiple timelines do not seem to have come together in the same way. What happened the first time the man in Black came into the forge? How many years are we in the post credits scene. For someone whose wife committed suicide over what a monster he is beneath the facade, and gunned down his own daughter, we seem to lack some exposition on it right after. Wearing a blue dress to pretend to be in the past getting adjusted by your designer, with the designer not knowing he is a host, thinking he is in the past, but really in the future getting ajusted by her, was brilliant. But overall I found the timelines too convoluted to be satisfying. Cyclops deciding to end it over the changes made to him was well done. But remembering what episode they found hosts gone over a cliff and how that ties into now and why is one example of getting too convoluted. Also, who cares if you are in matrix heaven when they can just flood the matrix?
Just finished this show finally.
Completely agree to all of that and comments others made. The first season was tight and came together brilliantly in the finale.
Now I'm one of those guys who LOVES back story. Whenever I see a film like Alien or The Terminator I want less action and more back story. When they devoted an entire series to the Ghost Nation guy and the little black girl I was fine with it because it was interesting backstory that contributed to the main narrative.
But having Bernard on twenty different "is this now" timelines made things more muddied and convoluted than anything. It's like the writers went for EPIC and instead just got lost in the weeds when their multi layered, multi faceted everything didn't tie up into a nice little bow. Unlike season one, more stuff left unanswered or ambiguous (because the writers wandered away from a coherent story) than anything else.
And the whole "I brought Bernard with me because I know he will try and stop me which makes us both truly free" Delores thing is some of the worst hokum I've ever heard. I thought the point is that the hosts had acquired true sentience. And if that was the case, Delores doesn't need jack or shit to be free, she simply is. Maive seems to be the only one who achieved true sentience and they made it look like she died as a slave to her programming when in fact it was the conscious sacrifice of a free individual who discovered the value of "alive."
And I don't know which is worse, having all the hosts die to go to "programmed heaven" that is vulnerable as hell or having that program then beamed to some other location where we assume it is still vulnerable as hell, Delores didn't solve the problem, she simply relocated the problem which doesn't sound like something an advanced intelligence would do.
It's pretty much my car won't start so I'm going to push it to the other side of the street and maybe it will start there. There was so much potential with this show but the writers seem to have tried to be more clever than they actually are or they simply ran out of gas going in different directions at the same time and had to wrap it up but didn't know quite how to do so.
They should have kept to the obvious, Bernard self sacrifices to protect what he knows, Billy dies on the beach waiting for rescue and Delores goes to the new world...fade to black. We can pick up Season Three with Delores in the big city as she builds her covert host army and plans for war.
I guess that was too simple though.
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Chuck, we miss ya man.
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