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Thread: BRT 16" OPTIMUM Barrel w/ Extended Length Gas System

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    50 yd sight in with the OPTIMUM SPR

    3 separate 5 shot groups from an improvised rest.

    Last edited by Clint; 09-03-17 at 15:38.
    Black River Tactical
    BRT OPTIMUM Hammer Forged Chrome Lined Barrels - 11.5", 12.5", 14.5", 16"
    BRT EZTUNE Preset Gas Tubes - PISTOL, CAR, MID, RIFLE
    BRT Bolt Carrier Groups M4A1, M16 CHROME
    BRT Covert Comps 5.56, 6X, 7.62

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    These do look good. I'm a little surprised that you decided to use ammo like that to post for groups so far. That ammo isn't known to run or group well for most anything.

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    He was probably burning leftover ammo that a weird customer sent in for a very specific test...

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    The build.

    I'll try to get up some targets later.

    Black River Tactical
    BRT OPTIMUM Hammer Forged Chrome Lined Barrels - 11.5", 12.5", 14.5", 16"
    BRT EZTUNE Preset Gas Tubes - PISTOL, CAR, MID, RIFLE
    BRT Bolt Carrier Groups M4A1, M16 CHROME
    BRT Covert Comps 5.56, 6X, 7.62

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    I'm looking forward to see some targets used from these.

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    50 Yard 5 round group with IMI Mk262 MOD 1 clone.

    Black River Tactical
    BRT OPTIMUM Hammer Forged Chrome Lined Barrels - 11.5", 12.5", 14.5", 16"
    BRT EZTUNE Preset Gas Tubes - PISTOL, CAR, MID, RIFLE
    BRT Bolt Carrier Groups M4A1, M16 CHROME
    BRT Covert Comps 5.56, 6X, 7.62

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    Thanks for posting that reference point sample.

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    This barrel is a great concept. Do you have any plans of offering mid-weight (A2 profile) or an SPR profile barrel in 4150 QPQ? I have a positive experience with 4150 Nitrided barrels from other manufacturers, but have heard conflicting things about 416. Mainly concerned regarding a lack of corrosion resistant coating.

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    @clint another question: what's the reasoning behind having a 5R 1/8 twist and 5.56 Nato chamber for the lightweight barrel vs 4 groove 1/7 twist with a proprietary chamber? How's 5.56 BRT Chamber different and why would I choose it over 5.56 Nato? Would 5.56 BRT Chamber cause any issues with certain types of ammo or casing?

    Does 4 groove barrel have deeper grooves for a better bite? I don't have any experience with 5R barrels, but like the idea of 4-groove AK-like barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alx01 View Post
    @clint another question: what's the reasoning behind having a 5R 1/8 twist and 5.56 Nato chamber for the lightweight barrel vs 4 groove 1/7 twist with a proprietary chamber? How's 5.56 BRT Chamber different and why would I choose it over 5.56 Nato? Would 5.56 BRT Chamber cause any issues with certain types of ammo or casing?

    Does 4 groove barrel have deeper grooves for a better bite? I don't have any experience with 5R barrels, but like the idea of 4-groove AK-like barrel.
    Not Clint, but I can offer some thoughts on some of the above. For the twist rate, unless you plan to launch some very heavy or very long projectiles, a 1:8 will handle it all. Outside of the LR benchrest community, there is pretty much no difference when comparing the capability of a 1:7 to a 1:8. In fact, on the lighter end of the spectrum, some will say that a 1:7 won't do as well with 55gr and under bullets. But, in practice, 1:7s have proven to do just fine with the lighter projectiles. Ultimately, there are no "absolutes". What one barrel prefers may be different than another. But, that won't necessarily have anything to do with twist. Now, if we introduce twist rates of 1:9 and higher, then there's a conversation to be had.

    Regarding the rifling, some will associate 5r with a greater potential for precision/accuracy. In practice, it's more about who makes the barrel than the number of lands and grooves. The reason some believe that 5r is "better" is the result of a couple things. One, 5r has lands opposing grooves; compared to lands opposing lands with conventional rifling. The argument is that this results in a better gas seal and less jacket deformation. Another reason, which is tied to the last, is that 5r barrels will pick up less fouling and clean up easier. There is some truth to these things. Projectiles going through less "trauma" when traveling down the bore should, in theory, perform more consistently. By that same token, a barrel that fouls less, in theory, should shoot more consistently throughout a range session. Still, while there are some legitimate reasons to desire a 5r over conventionally rifled barrel, it's actual significance may be overstated. Again, whomever is making the barrel will have a far greater impact.

    TL;DR - A 1:8 twist with 5r rifling is nothing to be concerned about. If anything, some may find one or both of those specifications to be desirable. For me, the type of rifling or twist rate is highly unlikely to be a dealbreaker. Heck, I don't even mind having a 1:9 twist. To each, his own. YMMV.
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