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    I love state rights as they can in many case with guns be a good thing but they can also be a really bad thing but at least one can move etc..
    but agree in some ways if the fed have %100 in 4 or 8 years who is to say what might happen anymore ?

    sadly your 2nd is so limited these days just like is happening with the 1st !

    wish we could get back to true freedom but that is gone

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    There is a long discussion on the NJ gun forum on the Hudson bill. Some read it that you have to have a license issued by your state of residence some read it as a license from any state. The former understanding wouldn't help people in NY/NJ/CA, the latter would. I have not read the bill, but anything will help. At the very least it sets up a good lawsuit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    I see your point, but how many would feel a $500 license prohibitive?
    It's only prohibitive to folks without $500.

    It's sad, and it does amount to a poll tax, but there needs to be some significant cost in order to make the citizen feel as though they are embarking upon a journey, and that they must now live by the discipline.

    The money generated could go into a special fund that raises awareness and educates the public about the awesome responsibility carrying arms, why we have it, and why it makes us unique.

    It could also help pay for the initial cert, or long-course, where citizens would learn about the law and how it's applied, go through shoot or don't shoot scenarios with their instructor, build skills, and be checked out mentally and physically.

    It would be administered by a renewed CMP/DCM that would also promote all manner of modern shooting sports as well as a new kind of run and gun biathalon/ tough mudder with guns/ der waffenlauf.

    People would be proud of their status as holders of a national CCW, just as they are when they pass the bar, obtain a private pilot's license, or get PADI certified. There would be T-shirts/ special license plates/ whatever...

    $10 quals would be required annually, but you could also take them every month if you want- and you would not simply qualify to hold the license, but earn a skill level like Sharpshooter--> Marksman--> Expert.

    If you failed to qualify, you would be shamed by your peers, but could come back in 2 weeks to re-take the test.

    Nobody would ever carry a Ruger P-95 in a Chinese Walmart holster. Everyone would be skilled and tough (because the test would be hard), and we would greet each other as "Warrior Citizen Brother ______."

    It would be glorious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    It works with your drivers license, your marriage license, why not concealed carry?
    Thanks for posting this, it was one of the first things I read today.
    Drivers licenses aren't federally mandated for reciprocity, it was done via an agreement by all the states.

    Whether marriage licenses are required to be recognized between states was highly debated until SCOTUS made the debate moot.

    The Federal government really shouldn't be in this area of law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalashniKEV View Post
    It's only prohibitive to folks without $500.

    It's sad, and it does amount to a poll tax, but there needs to be some significant cost in order to make the citizen feel as though they are embarking upon a journey, and that they must now live by the discipline.
    Get out of my pocket. Christ a SOT to deal machine guns is $500 a year. I don't need to pay $500 to do something responsibly. I see dickfaces with $400,000 cars screwing up traffic every day. Paying money doesn't make anyone responsible, it just makes them feel entitled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    Yeah, right. At any rate, we won't have long to wait to see whether the states are willing to have a gun shoved down their throats, equating Federally mandated gay rights to Federally mandated gun rights. You may be right, but I'm skeptical and inclined to doubt it.
    Oh I'm skeptical too, as apparently the libtards like to pick and choose which "rights" they respect and which they don't. There is no inherent righteousness to gay marriage that trumps the RKBA. In fact, marriage of any flavor isn't addressed in the Constitution; the RKBA is. So when I heard the "Full faith and credit" clause mentioned with states being forced to recognize gay marriages from another state, by damned they should have to recognize the CCW license of another state. Turnabout is fair play, and I have ZERO qualms about pushing the issue on the very same grounds that they pushed gay marriage. We can't try to maintain some sort of "Moral High Ground" with regards to the issues being addressed each on it's own merits. We have to play hardball. If you wanted this, then we want that under the same guise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Get out of my pocket. Christ a SOT to deal machine guns is $500 a year.
    We can undo the Reagan Ban and make machine guns normal NFA.

    Just make a special category of stamp that costs $1000 instead of $200.

    The money generated could go towards government subsidized phosphorus mining for an increase in the popularity and availability of Tracer.

    We could have "Machine Gun Shoots" where instead of being a bunch of overweights smoking ciggs in a strip mined hole in the ground, crews would get together and execute Table II from FM 3-22.68 on a competitive basis.

    Different clubs would put together different courses- like run up a steep hill, emplace the tripod, set the gun, engage targets on the other side, and feed it.

    That shit would be GLORIOUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KalashniKEV View Post
    It's only prohibitive to folks without $500.

    It's sad, and it does amount to a poll tax, but there needs to be some significant cost in order to make the citizen feel as though they are embarking upon a journey, and that they must now live by the discipline.

    The money generated could go into a special fund that raises awareness and educates the public about the awesome responsibility carrying arms, why we have it, and why it makes us unique.

    It could also help pay for the initial cert, or long-course, where citizens would learn about the law and how it's applied, go through shoot or don't shoot scenarios with their instructor, build skills, and be checked out mentally and physically.

    It would be administered by a renewed CMP/DCM that would also promote all manner of modern shooting sports as well as a new kind of run and gun biathalon/ tough mudder with guns/ der waffenlauf.

    People would be proud of their status as holders of a national CCW, just as they are when they pass the bar, obtain a private pilot's license, or get PADI certified. There would be T-shirts/ special license plates/ whatever...

    $10 quals would be required annually, but you could also take them every month if you want- and you would not simply qualify to hold the license, but earn a skill level like Sharpshooter--> Marksman--> Expert.

    If you failed to qualify, you would be shamed by your peers, but could come back in 2 weeks to re-take the test.

    Nobody would ever carry a Ruger P-95 in a Chinese Walmart holster. Everyone would be skilled and tough (because the test would be hard), and we would greet each other as "Warrior Citizen Brother ______."

    It would be glorious.
    FVCK all of that noise. Seriously. I'll take a page out off your book and suggest you go to the mirror and- well I'm sure you know what to do...

    Requiring tests and "qualifications" to have your Rights is just as ridiculous as it gets. Pure lunacy.

    Maybe their should be IQ tests to have the right to practice a religion- like if you are under 120 IQ- you can't be Muslim. Sound good, that would make it to where less Muslims would bomb shit and kill fewer people right?

    How about we make it cost $200.00 anytime you want to have the freedom to not be illegally searched without a warrant- would solve a lot of crime-eh?

    I could go on and on...

    I find your naivete that making a $500.00 tax/qualifying test for a Right would do anything other than infringe on a Right laughable and detestable.

    I'm so entirely, absolutely and utterly sick of people vomiting this anti freedom bullshit onto the internet and into my ears in person.

    The State has no right to infringe on MY RIGHTS. Period. No one has any say in what I do with my rights as long as I am not infringing on the Rights of others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalashniKEV View Post
    We can undo the Reagan Ban and make machine guns normal NFA.

    Just make a special category of stamp that costs $1000 instead of $200.

    The money generated could go towards government subsidized phosphorus mining for an increase in the popularity and availability of Tracer.

    We could have "Machine Gun Shoots" where instead of being a bunch of overweights smoking ciggs in a strip mined hole in the ground, crews would get together and execute Table II from FM 3-22.68 on a competitive basis.

    Different clubs would put together different courses- like run up a steep hill, emplace the tripod, set the gun, engage targets on the other side, and feed it.

    That shit would be GLORIOUS.
    No, it would be glorious if people just got out of the business of limiting rights altogether, for any reason. It would be glorious if the State and EVERYONE would get their hands out of everyone elses pockets and quit trying to change the fabric of our Constitution for feelgoodery nonsense, "safety" and other such childish unattainable bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THCDDM4 View Post
    No, it would be glorious if people just got out of the business of limiting rights altogether, for any reason.
    We all give up certain rights in exchange for living in a civilization.

    Otherwise why do I have to pay any attention to police officers, or pay my taxes?

    I'm talking about a re-negotiation of the social contract- you get MORE rights than any American has had in a long time... the only catch is you qualify to have them by being a man of means, sound of mind and body, and in possession of the proper skills.

    Now, you say... why don't we give back all the rights to everyone?

    Because the same idiots will **** it up for everyone... only this time we will end up with fewer rights in the end than we even have today.

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