M4Carbine history and the CZ

[KalashniKEV]

If you pick up and actually read one of those relics called a book many folks might be shocked to read even someone like Jeff Cooper gave the weapon very high marks...

I knew we'd eventually get there.

Jeff Cooper also thought it was a good idea to strap a pistol scope on a bolt action rifle and go walk around on the battlefield...

[Moose-Knuckle]

I think it has a lot to do with Mike Pannone's use of CZ pistols too.

Yup. Combine that with Cooper's fondness of them and you can see the influence on consumers.

Back when I was 21 and working for an FFL I was torn between the P-01 and the G19. I settled on the G19, since I am of the mind set of consolidation I never picked up a CZ and probably never will.

Damn fine pistolas those CZ's, the P-01 fit me like the proverbial glove.

[sinister]

I knew we'd eventually get there.
Jeff Cooper also thought it was a good idea to strap a pistol scope on a bolt action rifle and go walk around on the battlefield...

True. In reality I think the Aimpoint, EO, and RMR replaced the forward-mounted scope (at least on the AR/M4).

[DirectTo]

I don't know that I've ever spoken to anyone who's actually said "I purchased X firearm because John Doe uses it." Anyone who needs a fighting, carry, or competition pistol knows what to look for in a handgun as far as ergonomics, reliability, support, etc. I suppose you might get some stragglers that are inexperienced in firearms that saw a video on YouTube, but they're a lot more likely to say "MAC/hickok45/etc. seemed to like this thing" rather than a they bought it because a relatively obscure (to the public) figure like Pannone or Cooper utilized it.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Anyone who needs a fighting, carry, or competition pistol knows what to look for in a handgun as far as ergonomics, reliability, support, etc.

I don't agree with this sentiment at all. There is a lot of bad info out their, M4C is rare compared to other gun forums. Other forums view M4C as a bunch of snobs and elitists.

Just look how popular shit like the Taurus Judge is among the firearm community.

I would venture to say most people have never heard of Mike Pannone. Last year at SHOT LAV wanted to do a piece on Ruger's new striker fired pistol and the rep didn't even know who he was.

[GregP220]

I think highly enough of CZs that I have a couple of the second generation P-07s and I carry one AIWB often.

With that being said, I'll hold off on buying the P-10c until it has been on the market for a couple years. I do enough beta testing at work.

[coobie]

Been a CZ fan for the last 15 years.Own 2 pistols,3 rifles and 1 shotgun.Quality product IMHO..

[JRead100]

I don't agree with this sentiment at all. There is a lot of bad info out their, M4C is rare compared to other gun forums. Other forums view M4C as a bunch of snobs and elitists.

Truth. If you ever think most of the firearm community knows what they're talking about, join a FB gun group. I'm a member of a group called GLOCK NATION on FB and some of the stuff posted on there is shocking.

Not suprising though, considering its a FB gun group called GLOCK NATION. There are a few knowledgeable folks on there though.

[Arik]

I don't agree with this sentiment at all. There is a lot of bad info out their, M4C is rare compared to other gun forums. Other forums view M4C as a bunch of snobs and elitists.

Just look how popular shit like the Taurus Judge is among the firearm community.

I would venture to say most people have never heard of Mike Pannone. Last year at SHOT LAV wanted to do a piece on Ruger's new striker fired pistol and the rep didn't even know who he was.

Agreed.

Go on another forum and ask about any other firearm. 98% will be positive reviews. Doesn't matter what it is the answer is always ...Looks good ...And .....I had one for X years and it never failed. Doesn't matter that years of ownership and use are two different things

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[misfit47]

The CZ kool-aid is very strong and sweet.