Heckler & Koch 433

[PNorris]

As to my previous post, the quote in my post is taken directly from the email response from HK USA after I contacted them. Certainly the response seems to indicate that at best it would be a few years before anything would happen. Oh well.

[BoringGuy45]

Hey look, another guy who has no clue what he's talking about.

Indeed....absurd remark.

Care to elaborate why it's so absurd?? Because to me, actions speak louder than words. Every time they come out with a new rifle, it's the same deal: For government use only. Either that, or they give some big, heavy, dumbed down version of the rifle. It's the same thing that so many other companies did to the civilian marked in the early 90s, back when gun control was cool.

[Defaultmp3]

Care to elaborate why it's so absurd?? Because to me, actions speak louder than words. Every time they come out with a new rifle, it's the same deal: For government use only. Either that, or they give some big, heavy, dumbed down version of the rifle. It's the same thing that so many other companies did to the civilian marked in the early 90s, back when gun control was cool.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...aws-vs-people/

H&K got ****ed by the 1989 import ban (introduced by Bush), and then there was the AWB of 1994. They are also constrained by the German government itself, due to export laws dealing with "weapons of war". To accuse H&K's leadership of being against the Second Amendment, rather than looking at political leadership of both the USA and Germany that have kept H&K from importing non-neutered weapons, is, well, absurd.

[SteyrAUG]

Care to elaborate why it's so absurd?? Because to me, actions speak louder than words. Every time they come out with a new rifle, it's the same deal: For government use only. Either that, or they give some big, heavy, dumbed down version of the rifle. It's the same thing that so many other companies did to the civilian marked in the early 90s, back when gun control was cool.

Covered on page 4, Post 31.

HK made the 90 series exclusively for the US market. Everyone else either could buy select fire models or couldn't buy semi autos at all. In 1989 we banned their entire line of rifles.

HK then made ban compliant firearms, the HK911, SR9, SR9T, SR9TC, etc. The US government simply added them to the ban list and they became non importable.

HK then focused on handguns because that seemed to be all they could bring to the US without difficulty and the USP series was actually pretty revolutionary.

HK recognizing demand for HK long arms produced TWO rifles that complied with US import restrictions, the SLR 8 and the USC. US gun buyers criticized them for being "neutered" and largely ignored them and HK lost a boatload of money in R&D for a US importable rifle and unrealized sales. Both rifles would be discontinued, despite being "importable."

HK then produced a rifle capable of accepting high capacity magazines and with features like adjustable stocks, they introduced the MR556 and MR762. Because if German export laws and US import laws things like "target barrels" were required which meant the MR556 was not an exact semi auto copy of the 416. Again the US gun market mostly ignored the MR556 costing HK to again lose R&D costs and unrealized sales.

I'm actually amazed HK is still trying to sell us anything. If most of the "HK sucks and they hate you" guys actually owned the company, they'd probably tell the US gun buyer to FO and call them when they have their stupid import laws sorted out.

And yes, they could make a LOT of stuff here, just like FN does. But how close did we come to President Clinton? Can we really blame a foreign firearms manufacturer for not wanting to gamble on the reinstatement of the Clinton Ban Part II which would negate any domestic production of anything that wasn't severely neutered?

[Defaultmp3]

And yes, they could make a LOT of stuff here, just like FN does. But how close did we come to President Clinton? Can we really blame a foreign firearms manufacturer for not wanting to gamble on the reinstatement of the Clinton Ban Part II which would negate any domestic production of anything that wasn't severely neutered?

I don't know if it's just idle speculation by Jim Schatz or if he has some actual inside knowledge, but he did say this over on HKPro:

And to those unsure if they will ever see a semi-auto HK433 for sale in the US, ask yourself why is HK spending $20M on a US factory and design center? For government contracts sure but at the moment the M110A1 CSASS contract qty does not support such an investment so that capacity has to be intended to design and build those products in the US that cannot be imported from Germany - CIVILIAN PRODUCTS.

Source: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-g...ml#post2394882

[vicious_cb]

Looks like it has the same ergos and fills the same niche that the ACR did. Whats so special about this rifle other than being not another AR?

[DreadPirateMoyer]

Looks like it has the same ergos and fills the same niche that the ACR did. Whats so special about this rifle other than being not another AR?

It's not built by Freedom Group.

[hotrodder636]

There has been a lot of suggestive speculation on HKPro about the purpose of the $20mil investment HK has made. Rumor is we should hear some intent June/July timeframe.

I don't know if it's just idle speculation by Jim Schatz or if he has some actual inside knowledge, but he did say this over on HKPro:

Source: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-g...ml#post2394882

[Dionysusigma]

Whats so special about this rifle other than being not another AR?

You could say the same about any autoloader in 5.56 from the Kel-Tec SU16 series to the Tavor. Performance - including durability, accuracy, modularity, ease of maintenance, cost/price, ease of procurement (looking at you, Robinson Armament), ergonomics, and compatibility with existing equipment and supplies (including ammo) - are what makes any "not another AR" interesting.

[Sensei]

Looks like it has the same ergos and fills the same niche that the ACR did. Whats so special about this rifle other than being not another AR?

It's going to be made by a manufacturer with a track record of firearms engineering excellence as well as a premium cost of admission. The ACR on the other hand is made by a manufacturer known for mediocrity.