Heckler & Koch 433

[RetroRevolver77]

Covered on page 4, Post 31.

HK made the 90 series exclusively for the US market. Everyone else either could buy select fire models or couldn't buy semi autos at all. In 1989 we banned their entire line of rifles.

HK then made ban compliant firearms, the HK911, SR9, SR9T, SR9TC, etc. The US government simply added them to the ban list and they became non importable.

HK then focused on handguns because that seemed to be all they could bring to the US without difficulty and the USP series was actually pretty revolutionary.

HK recognizing demand for HK long arms produced TWO rifles that complied with US import restrictions, the SLR 8 and the USC. US gun buyers criticized them for being "neutered" and largely ignored them and HK lost a boatload of money in R&D for a US importable rifle and unrealized sales. Both rifles would be discontinued, despite being "importable."

HK then produced a rifle capable of accepting high capacity magazines and with features like adjustable stocks, they introduced the MR556 and MR762. Because if German export laws and US import laws things like "target barrels" were required which meant the MR556 was not an exact semi auto copy of the 416. Again the US gun market mostly ignored the MR556 costing HK to again lose R&D costs and unrealized sales.

I'm actually amazed HK is still trying to sell us anything. If most of the "HK sucks and they hate you" guys actually owned the company, they'd probably tell the US gun buyer to FO and call them when they have their stupid import laws sorted out.

And yes, they could make a LOT of stuff here, just like FN does. But how close did we come to President Clinton? Can we really blame a foreign firearms manufacturer for not wanting to gamble on the reinstatement of the Clinton Ban Part II which would negate any domestic production of anything that wasn't severely neutered?

You ever think that actually the BATFE is a bunch of super patriots that don't want you to own all that foreign crap?

[call_me_ski]

I am sure they get off work and sit in a lawn chair drinking bud lite while throwing their empties at imports that drive by.

[SteyrAUG]

You ever think that actually the BATFE is a bunch of super patriots that don't want you to own all that foreign crap?

Hardly, not only are they mostly banning guns from fellow NATO countries, as soon as they got the Bill Clinton 94 ban they THOUGHT that was the end of all military style rifles. Their pea sized brains couldn't figure out we'd simply swap brakes for flash hiders, mostly go to short fixed stocks and eliminate bayo lugs and have essentially the same rifle they THOUGHT they had seen the end of.

With 922r they THOUGHT they ended all imported military style weapons. All they really did was give us a challenge and create a US receiver market. Suddenly people who could barely field strips FALs, AKs and HKs were now becoming armorers and building them from all the cheap surplus kits coming in.

And in many cases the US parts would actually be superior in quality than the original factory part they replaced. FN LAR receivers were castings, DSA receivers were forged. Nobody could really afford a pre 89 FN LAR when they sold for something like $2,500 when they were being imported, but a DSA FAL with a factory Steyr barrel could be had for about $1,000 and $2 magazines were everywhere.

Suddenly everyone had a FAL rifle for the first time. If the 89 import ban never happened, and 922r didn't drive the "parts kit gun" market, most people would still not own a FAL rifle. Nearly all of my FALs are DSA rifles, I have almost a dozen. If DSA never made a FAL, I'd probably own no more than two.

Seems every time ATF tries to close the door, we design a new door jam.

[NongShim]

Hardly, not only are they mostly banning guns from fellow NATO countries, as soon as they got the Bill Clinton 94 ban they THOUGHT that was the end of all military style rifles. Their pea sized brains couldn't figure out we'd simply swap brakes for flash hiders, mostly go to short fixed stocks and eliminate bayo lugs and have essentially the same rifle they THOUGHT they had seen the end of.

With 922r they THOUGHT they ended all imported military style weapons. All they really did was give us a challenge and create a US receiver market. Suddenly people who could barely field strips FALs, AKs and HKs were now becoming armorers and building them from all the cheap surplus kits coming in.

And in many cases the US parts would actually be superior in quality than the original factory part they replaced. FN LAR receivers were castings, DSA receivers were forged. Nobody could really afford a pre 89 FN LAR when they sold for something like $2,500 when they were being imported, but a DSA FAL with a factory Steyr barrel could be had for about $1,000 and $2 magazines were everywhere.

Suddenly everyone had a FAL rifle for the first time. If the 89 import ban never happened, and 922r didn't drive the "parts kit gun" market, most people would still not own a FAL rifle. Nearly all of my FALs are DSA rifles, I have almost a dozen. If DSA never made a FAL, I'd probably own no more than two.

Seems every time ATF tries to close the door, we design a new door jam.

'Merica!

[RetroRevolver77]

Hardly, not only are they mostly banning guns from fellow NATO countries, as soon as they got the Bill Clinton 94 ban they THOUGHT that was the end of all military style rifles. Their pea sized brains couldn't figure out we'd simply swap brakes for flash hiders, mostly go to short fixed stocks and eliminate bayo lugs and have essentially the same rifle they THOUGHT they had seen the end of.

With 922r they THOUGHT they ended all imported military style weapons. All they really did was give us a challenge and create a US receiver market. Suddenly people who could barely field strips FALs, AKs and HKs were now becoming armorers and building them from all the cheap surplus kits coming in.

And in many cases the US parts would actually be superior in quality than the original factory part they replaced. FN LAR receivers were castings, DSA receivers were forged. Nobody could really afford a pre 89 FN LAR when they sold for something like $2,500 when they were being imported, but a DSA FAL with a factory Steyr barrel could be had for about $1,000 and $2 magazines were everywhere.

Suddenly everyone had a FAL rifle for the first time. If the 89 import ban never happened, and 922r didn't drive the "parts kit gun" market, most people would still not own a FAL rifle. Nearly all of my FALs are DSA rifles, I have almost a dozen. If DSA never made a FAL, I'd probably own no more than two.

Seems every time ATF tries to close the door, we design a new door jam.

I remember building Imbel parts kits onto Imbel gear logo receivers. Thing was, I would have never owned an FAL had they not banned them. Just like anything else in life- tell someone they can't own something and they'll want to own it. That's the nature of freedom.


7n6

[SteyrAUG]

I remember building Imbel parts kits onto Imbel gear logo receivers. Thing was, I would have never owned an FAL had they not banned them. Just like anything else in life- tell someone they can't own something and they'll want to own it. That's the nature of freedom.


7n6

Same here, it's one of my favorite FAL rifles. But if they didn't ban imports, there wouldn't really be such a things as a parts kit rifle.

[Doc. Holiday]

HK has this baby up at their site

http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/produ.../overview.html

At Enforce Tac expo

Attachment 44225

Dang...that is a really sexy gun!