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Thread: Murder or Self-Defense if Officer Is Killed in Raid? (No-Knock Raid Thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    Other than the terrorist in Boston, where have criminals used IED in the USA?
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Not trying to be snarky as this has been a far more intelligent thread than I thought would happen but:

    The San Bernadino couple (albeit devices failed)
    Unabomber
    Olympic Park
    Columbine (though devices failed)
    Oklahoma City

    There is precedent.

    Honestly, a single guy with a gun has never bothered me as much as a guy with a knowledge of explosives.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    And don't forget the Time Square Bomber https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010...ombing_attempt

    Truth be told, the use of IEDs has a rich history in America's gang culture:
    https://cops.usdoj.gov/html/cd_rom/s...angmembers.pdf

    However, my IED comment was in reference to just last year when the Dallas PD created an IED and delivered it by robot to kill a barricaded sniper suspect: https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nat...TiK/story.html


    The Bath School disaster, sometimes known as the Bath School massacre, was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, that killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and 6 adults and injured at least 58 other people.[Note 1] Kehoe killed his wife and firebombed his farm, then detonated an explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final device in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder to take place at a school in United States history.[1][2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster



    EDIT: I am impressed that this thread hasn't gone "south". I salute all who have commented, personally speaking, it has been very educational and enlightening.
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    Who needs a warrant, when you can run over them. Certainly much more effective




    Article: http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/new...ng-on-officers

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    While it has nothing to do with no knock warrants.....


    If you are a fat girl with a revolver; dont try to outrun a police car on foot It never ends well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    While it has nothing to do with no knock warrants.....


    If you are a fat girl with a revolver; dont try to outrun a police car on foot It never ends well.
    Officer is on paid leave. He should get a medal. In this instance, his actions seem to be perfect. He ran her over which meant he didn't expose himself or civilians to lead in the air. Reasonable action under the circumstances. Hopefully his patrol unit didn't get too dirty so as to require extra attention. Running a MF'er over is GTG in certain situations.

    Seemed like he may have slightly goosed it when he knew she was under/going under. Hope a tire spun on her face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    While it has nothing to do with no knock warrants.....


    If you are a fat girl with a revolver; dont try to outrun a police car on foot It never ends well.
    I stated that when I posted the video.

    Plus she was in a Gun-Free School Zone, therefore the officer had to use his vehicle.

    The incident occurred on the 18th and released to local TV within days, is amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle View Post
    I've been toying with the notion for awhile and thought about storing the footage via cloud as a physical DVR can be compromised. But there are concerns with who can access the footage even there, hackers.

    Did your setup have audio as well?

    I understand how a house's phone lines, power/gas/water, internet/wifi can be shut off prior to a raid is that what you mean by cutting communications? I haven't researched into it but there is systems that are independent albeit expensive.

    PM if need be as the subject matter is sensitive.
    What's worse: Private individuals gaining access to your camera system's records or the state destroying your camera system's records?

    (Admittedly, if the state wants to, they can destroy your records as easily or even more easily than a private individual can hack them. However, this is not a capability possessed by the average law enforcement official who just realized that they kicked down the door to the wrong house.)
    " A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus," or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fjallhrafn View Post
    What's worse: Private individuals gaining access to your camera system's records or the state destroying your camera system's records?

    (Admittedly, if the state wants to, they can destroy your records as easily or even more easily than a private individual can hack them. However, this is not a capability possessed by the average law enforcement official who just realized that they kicked down the door to the wrong house.)
    There both bad scenarios as we are taking about footage of one's family from inside their own home.

    After lawsuits like the one mentioned above by a member, I have no doubt bad raids (wrong house) end in looking for and collecting private security footage.

    Hidden cameras are the way to go and keeping your mouth shut about them. One should never speak as a rule of thumb and invoke their right to council.

    One of the tells of stash houses is outside CCTV cameras so if a raid team finds cameras it will just add to their suspicion and the "ah hah we got him now".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6933 View Post
    Officer is on paid leave. He should get a medal. In this instance, his actions seem to be perfect. He ran her over which meant he didn't expose himself or civilians to lead in the air. Reasonable action under the circumstances. Hopefully his patrol unit didn't get too dirty so as to require extra attention. Running a MF'er over is GTG in certain situations.

    Seemed like he may have slightly goosed it when he knew she was under/going under. Hope a tire spun on her face.
    NO shit.

    She fired multiple shots at them while attempting to flee = deadly force g2g.

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