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    IF...Intermittant Fasting

    Specifically, I saw a Facebook ad from "Kinobody", where he says "Skip breakfast". I thought it was BS, but I did a quick internet search on it, and there is some science to back it, in some cases.

    For me personally, my issue with calories is that I'm awake a good bit of time, and I tend to over-eat due to time, not necessarily portions. If I were to "begin my day at lunch", food-wise, that would eliminate that. I have not read ANY studies which show a detriment to skipping breakfast for an adult.

    Thoughts from those who know better than me, on this one?

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    I am a big believer in fasting; it works for me specifically. Have done meal skipping and whole day fasting. My notion of fasting includes water or zero cal. Powerade.

    Skip breakfast regularly when healthy. Currently recovering from back surgery and having trouble keeping weight on so eat whenever I feel like it.

    Fasting will take getting used to mentally and physically, but it can be part of a healthy lifestyle.

    First, you have to break the cycle of eating when "bored."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6933 View Post
    I am a big believer in fasting; it works for me specifically. Have done meal skipping and whole day fasting. My notion of fasting includes water or zero cal. Powerade.

    Skip breakfast regularly when healthy. Currently recovering from back surgery and having trouble keeping weight on so eat whenever I feel like it.

    Fasting will take getting used to mentally and physically, but it can be part of a healthy lifestyle.

    First, you have to break the cycle of eating when "bored."
    How will I find meaning, then?

    *Seriously, it's an issue with me, this boredeating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    How will I find meaning, then?

    *Seriously, it's an issue with me, this boredeating.
    Keep busy. It will be hard the first week.

    Been IFing for 7 years now and don't plan on ever stopping. Some people can do it and others just can't.

    I've done it a few different ways but over the last few years I've just done 20h fast and 4h window. I eat a lot and would put some people to shame...haha

    One thing I do is add in BCAAs around training(mornings) and somewhere in the middle of the day. Just plain old unflavored 4:1:1 BCAA powder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double3 View Post
    Keep busy. It will be hard the first week.

    Been IFing for 7 years now and don't plan on ever stopping. Some people can do it and others just can't.

    I've done it a few different ways but over the last few years I've just done 20h fast and 4h window. I eat a lot and would put some people to shame...haha

    One thing I do is add in BCAAs around training(mornings) and somewhere in the middle of the day. Just plain old unflavored 4:1:1 BCAA powder.
    Link to said product?
    I did IF tonight. My work-out went well, and I feel fine. I have not consumed as much food as previous. This is the goal. I am happy as of current.

    Boredom is not much of an issue for me, as I don't "feel" bored, but food is something I do like. So that's my struggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    Link to said product?
    I did IF tonight. My work-out went well, and I feel fine. I have not consumed as much food as previous. This is the goal. I am happy as of current.

    Boredom is not much of an issue for me, as I don't "feel" bored, but food is something I do like. So that's my struggle.
    This is what I've been using. I think it helps hold some muscle since I stay pretty lean especially in the summer. Recovery as well. At the same time it's probably not worth it.
    https://www.musclefeast.com/products...nt=23663193025

    Look into leangains as well. Don't think he is as active as he used to be.
    http://www.leangains.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6933 View Post
    I am a big believer in fasting; it works for me specifically. Have done meal skipping and whole day fasting. My notion of fasting includes water or zero cal. Powerade.

    Skip breakfast regularly when healthy. Currently recovering from back surgery and having trouble keeping weight on so eat whenever I feel like it.

    Fasting will take getting used to mentally and physically, but it can be part of a healthy lifestyle.

    First, you have to break the cycle of eating when "bored."
    IF is interesting but data far from conclusive and or contradictory. For example:

    Skipping breakfast may lead to weight gain in men

    Japanese men who reported skipping breakfast at least 4 days per week experienced greater increase in BMI over 5 years compared with men who reported eating breakfast every day, according to published findings.

    “Recently, unhealthy dietary habits related to chrononutrition, such as skipping breakfast, timing of meals, speed of eating and the order of food consumption during a meal, are reportedly associated with metabolic abnormalities,” Masaru Sakurai, MD, PhD, of the department of social and environmental medicine at Kanazawa Medical University in Ishikawa, Japan, and colleagues wrote. “Skipping breakfast has been associated with a lack of feeding satiety, postprandial hyperinsulinemia, expression of the biological clock gene and circadian rhythms of glucose metabolism, which may cause body weight gain.

    Cont:

    http://www.healio.com/endocrinology/...t=852809511235
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    IF is interesting but data far from conclusive and or contradictory. For example:

    Skipping breakfast may lead to weight gain in men

    Japanese men who reported skipping breakfast at least 4 days per week experienced greater increase in BMI over 5 years compared with men who reported eating breakfast every day, according to published findings.

    “Recently, unhealthy dietary habits related to chrononutrition, such as skipping breakfast, timing of meals, speed of eating and the order of food consumption during a meal, are reportedly associated with metabolic abnormalities,” Masaru Sakurai, MD, PhD, of the department of social and environmental medicine at Kanazawa Medical University in Ishikawa, Japan, and colleagues wrote. “Skipping breakfast has been associated with a lack of feeding satiety, postprandial hyperinsulinemia, expression of the biological clock gene and circadian rhythms of glucose metabolism, which may cause body weight gain.

    Cont:

    http://www.healio.com/endocrinology/...t=852809511235
    The thing is, these are circumstantial if they don't control for lifestyle. Those who skip breakfast likely had less healthy habits, because society as a whole has been browbeaten into thinking breakfast is healthy, so those who eat it, are more likely to also do "healthy things", like work out, sleep correctly, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    The thing is, these are circumstantial if they don't control for lifestyle. Those who skip breakfast likely had less healthy habits, because society as a whole has been browbeaten into thinking breakfast is healthy, so those who eat it, are more likely to also do "healthy things", like work out, sleep correctly, etc.
    There's quite a bit of data suggesting breakfast is healthy and most of the IF data fails to also control for all the variables. Hence, jury is still out in my view.
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    Fasting is nothing new, and has been incorporated into human activity from the beginning of civilization. Most major religions incorporate fasting in one form or another, albeit many have been watered down over time. I get that IF, as a modern phenomenon, has many variables because there are endless variables to what someone eats when not on their fast. Many think IF is some miracle stuff where they can eat anything and to an unlimited quantity during their 4-6 hour window. Eat a couple bacon cheese burgers, a mound of fries, ice cream, pizza, chips, donuts, etc., just because they stopped eating for 16-20 hours. Personally, I don't buy that version.

    When I incorporate IF into my personal daily ritual, like I am currently doing, I always cut down on caffeine intake, eliminate most sugars (I continue to eat honey and real maple syrup sparingly), almost all processed foods, alcohol, and almost all animal proteins. I eat from 1400 - 1800 daily, and my meals consist of all forms of fruits and vegetables, both cooked and raw, as well as lots of rice, potatoes, lentils, beans, and nuts. First several days suck bad, but by the end of day 4-5, I've calmed down my sugar and caffine withdrawals and my current goal is 60 days like this to finally break my sweet tooth.

    I can tell you this much, by day 3, my arthritic joints ache less, I have more energy throughout the day, my skin looks better, and I am back to sleeping soundly for 7-8 hours per night without waking up.

    As far as missing breakfast goes, I don't think breakfast, as a concept, is the same today as it was pre-WWII and beyond, both here in the US and in most of the rest of the world, when there were a lot fewer obese people. Breakfast used to be a cup of tea or coffee and maybe a chunk of bread and butter/cheese, a piece of fruit, or a bowl of some grain (oats/rice/etc.), and then off to the fields, pastures, woods, or worksite. Lunch would likely be a pack meal with seasonal/available vegetables, dried meat, some starch, and tea eaten somewhere in the middle of the workday, often in the field or woods. The big meal of the day was almost always eaten at the end of the day, over conversation on the daily happenings. Then it was off to bed to let the meal digest and rest for the next day.

    Our current reality of endless streams of food, much of it chemically laden, artificially sweetened and colored, genetically modified, pumped full of growth hormones and antibiotics, and over processed, is nothing remotely similar to the vast majority of our history. And I don't give a dang who says what, I now believe todays levels of cancer, heart disease, autism, ADD, anxiety, yada/yada/yada is caused by the crap most of us put on our plates, in our bellies, and call food.

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