Dumb (my opinion) department duty firearm policy

[jpmuscle]

You work for the feds, correct?

Correct sir.

Also, was not my intent to detract from the OPs post. Just showing that things could be worse.

But if anyone wants to suggest a quality entity where the carrying of personally owned SBRs with cans exist I'm all ears.

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[sidewaysil80]

Same with us, agency range/ammo/instructors. That seems to be the standard policy with all Fed LEO's (0083's, not agents/investigators).

[26 Inf]

Took two USCP friends to the range this am, they wanted to practice for upcoming Q's. Their Department Policy prohibits using their duty firearm on public|private ranges. So they purchased a G22 for their public|private shooting.


In my opinion that is a dumb frigin policy.


Wonder if any other departments have a similar policy?

If you think about it, it is probably the best way to divorce themselves from liability brought on from training other than that delivered by the agency.

If you weren't using an agency approved weapon at the training then it wasn't agency approved training when 'Joe' the gun store commando told you something that is completely bullshit because it fits his idea of use of force like 'if you can't see their hands and they don't obey, you are justified in firing'

Ideally if an agency has those rules they also have a competent range staff and give officers opportunities to go to the range and use agency supplied ammunition. Unfortunately that often isn't the case.

[SteyrAUG]

And to think, I used to concern myself with the variable of range ammo and carry ammo.

[Det-Sog]

Hung up my badge a little over four years ago, but could shoot at any reputable range for my entire 25 year career. We were encouraged to shoot as much as we wanted. We could do that any time, but had to have an agency FI present to use the agency range. It was just easier to go to a reputable public or private range.

[jpmuscle]

If you think about it, it is probably the best way to divorce themselves from liability brought on from training other than that delivered by the agency.

If you weren't using an agency approved weapon at the training then it wasn't agency approved training when 'Joe' the gun store commando told you something that is completely bullshit because it fits his idea of use of force like 'if you can't see their hands and they don't obey, you are justified in firing'

Ideally if an agency has those rules they also have a competent range staff and give officers opportunities to go to the range and use agency supplied ammunition. Unfortunately that often isn't the case.

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While that may be true, atleast from their perspective (which is still crap and not really legally sound), the reality is that it is but one illustration and more reflective of the singular mindset permeating the minds of senior LE (Faux) leadership in America. One that is wholly liability driven. Well, that an just being lazy sycophants who want to avoid actual work. Wanna know why a lot of the cops suck? Why policing is generally more reactive in most AOs, etc so on and so forth? There are external forces at work of course (i.e. courts, public ignorance, what have you), but internally it's because sh*t bag officials make it damn near impossible for the cops to do their jobs competently. They hamstring them with bullshit policies and operating procedures that should be in the DSM-IV under psychopathy. For those that are mentally deranged they just get off on playing policy overlord and trying to keep their thumbs on their guys.

That's what shi**y leaders do anyways.

[26 Inf]

Much of the stress in Law Enforcement comes from the structure and administration of the workplace, rather than from the job. Just like most other jobs.

Yeah, there is a lot of CMA going around LE, especially in the more bureaucratic agencies. You aren't saying anything other officers haven't said.

[Dienekes]

I remember when my SA job was fun. That was so long ago that I still had some hair.

[Firefly]

You know.....that's the sad irony.

I've never once regretted any injury or anything incurred in policework. It was always some smug fatass behind a desk working their mouth or trying to be better than everyone else by pencilwhipping people, treating rookies like shit, and acting like they were anointed. Most either laid on their nscks or kissed ass. I knew a Female LT who never had a felony arrest. None. Not even an assist. 2 years in a nice area, self promote to juvenile, then Sergeant then 5 years on her back to LT and hiding ever since.

It's hard to know that people who habe not as much training, experience, or just been through the shit can abuse their position to mess with you for not ring kissing.

Some people actually like working bad areas. It is fulfilling. Like you really are doing something worth doing. But most people are looking for a way up or out.

If you're in LE and the only people you see are brass, clerical staff, and never leave your office.....why are you there? What are you doing?

Some wish to be teachers or mentors and that's nice but then you get that insular "trainer" mentality where you forget what you were really trying to impart.

Bad people get in LE. Some of the biggest crooks and assholes ever.

And some of God's Own are there too....like two different mentalities .

"Suck it up, buttercup".....yeah..
until it is you. Then it's a different story


All I know is.....if you are in any capacity to help someone. Do it.

Guts matter. Some of the happiest days of my life were spent on hour 13 of a 10 hour shift in the rain. Not sarcasm. I was wet, my feet felt like shit, I had ball sweat, anf I was fatigued from a rough day before plus sleeping during tge day when lawns get mowed and kids ran the streets screaming like retarfs and everyone felt like blasting stereos.

But I felt infinite. I have scars. Some of you have seen them. I regret nothing.

Except there are administrators whose names I wish I'd never heard.

Off in OTville but someone said something. No man, the job IS NOT stressful. It's a privilege. A good deal.

It's the coffee drinkers and chairwarmers that make it hard.

[T2C]

Some agencies are concerned about liability with a capital L. That is unfortunate.

My agency encouraged using the department issued service pistol in competition while off duty. It was clearly written in department policy and the purpose was to encourage maintaining proficiency. Unfortunately, issuing ammunition for off duty practice and competition was not budgeted.

We were not authorized to use the patrol carbine in off duty competition. I believe it was because of public perception of the "evil black rifle".