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    Nyx Bolt Carrier Group

    Checking to see if there is any merit in this. Looks similar in concept to the Surefire/Jim Sullivan designed long stroke bolt carrier. Unfortunately its made of Ti and comes with an NiB bolt and has some non-staked gas key which makes me question if this will hold up to hard use.

    https://www.masterofarms.com/product/nyx-carrier/


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    What's your goal? If it's paying 4x the cost of a proven product it will be perfect. If you're trying to build some kind of ultra light carry more than you shoot rig it might be ok too. But otherwise too many added parts/variables to put in something that you want too be 100% dependable.

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    They lost me at "tuned recoil experience".



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    It would match a Salient Arms Glock.

    You might try running that BCG in a dual-forward-assist Cobalt Ar.
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    Why is it here?

    I mean, just: WHY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrubber3 View Post
    Why is it here?

    I mean, just: WHY?
    Why? Because actually doing something with the tail of carrier is a huge step forward in improving the M16 fow. Jim Sullivan and surefires carrier is similar in nature but it's vapor wear. I believe the ferfrans carrier also does something similar but you can't buy them anymore. Doing something like putting a miniature constant recoil system in the tail of carrier would be ingenious. Even if the nyx carrier is poorly thought out and executed it's still a step forward that I hope other designers will start toying with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicious_cb View Post
    M16 fow.
    what's 'fow'? family of weapons?
    the ferfrans carrier is for rate reduction on full auto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicious_cb View Post
    Why? Because actually doing something with the tail of carrier is a huge step forward in improving the M16 fow. Jim Sullivan and surefires carrier is similar in nature but it's vapor wear. I believe the ferfrans carrier also does something similar but you can't buy them anymore. Doing something like putting a miniature constant recoil system in the tail of carrier would be ingenious. Even if the nyx carrier is poorly thought out and executed it's still a step forward that I hope other designers will start toying with.
    This is a valid point. It's also not the first time someone's experimented with the rear of a carrier, and I'm sure it won't be the last. In addition to the other examples, I recall seeing experiments with weight inserts. IIRC, I believe it was one of David Tubb's endeavors. It never really caught on, but I can appreciate the attempt.

    Failure is a side effect of innovation, and I'll rarely knock someone for trying something new. If it doesn't pan out, what does the consumer actually lose? Probably nothing. But if progress is made, the consumer benefits. On the flip-side, the one attempting to innovate stands to lose a lot. Sure they also stand to gain, but they're the ones bearing most of the risk.

    For the product at hand, it's a pretty tough sell. Even if it added value to the platform, at $500+, plenty of consumers are going to be priced out of the market. For those willing and able to shell out that kind of cash, it's still a tall order. It'd need to produce some truly groundbreaking results. While I'd agree there's opportunity to take advantage of the carrier's rear "real estate", I'm not sure there's $400 worth of opportunity.

    Looking at the description of the BCG, they should probably start by working on their marketing. For the price tag, I'd want a much more detailed argument outlining the need for this product. Something clearly illustrating the benefit, along with tangible metrics, is another thing I'd personally want to see before even considering the product for purchase. It may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but they're doing a pretty poor job of conveying that message.

    Ultimately, I'd be shocked if this BCG captures even a small amount of adoption within the competitive shooting community. Frankly, it seems like that's probably their target audience. For the general shooting crowd, there aren't enough problems with traditional BCGs to warrant that kind of money. For the hard use crowd, and those that might use a rifle at work, one can already identify the concerns they'll have. Take the carrier key, for instance. It's claimed that the key doesn't need to be staked. Even if that's true, staking is feature that has some pretty deep roots in the community. Trying to get their buy-in that staking isn't necessary is a big ask.

    A nice effort, but I'm not optimistic this will be the next big thing.
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    $525?

    -All that and they can't stake the gas key?

    -What's the life of those springs? Can you get spares?

    -I'm not crazy about the tiny snap ring at the end, either.

    -Lots of cost and complexity for little return. What problem does it solve?

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