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    25 Gunfighting Stats Learned From Convicted Cop Killers

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    This article is going to be an in-depth look at the statistics related to some of the worst criminals, cop killers. Every five years or so the FBI compiles a list of all cases where a criminal kills a cop in the line of duty, and publishes a report detailing their findings. Let me say that they are shocking, and many of them go against the conventional wisdom police officers and responsibly armed citizens currently believe about criminals. Keep reading to see how this data will affect you, and your weapons training.




    In a previous life, I was an intelligence officer in the Marine Corps, and it was my job to provide threat analysis regarding current tactics, techniques, and procedures about the enemy. This will be something like that, with a few differences, obviously criminal gang members and murderers arenít like the Taliban (the Taliban like to date goats), but there are a surprising amount of commonalities between the two groups.


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    If you want to read the full 160 page report here is the link.

    OFFICER BACKGROUND

    This section will cover some basic background and statistical data about the officers.

    Average Victim Officer: 98% Males, 2% Female

    Average Age: 35

    Height/Weight: 5í11, 197 lbs

    Race: 90% white

    Education: 50% had high school diploma, 50% had a college degree

    Upon reviewing more detailed demographic information, it becomes clear that the majority of these officerís were older, and better educated than their offender.

    The vast majority of these cases were also against officers in uniform, 42%. The rest were detectives and other plain clothes assignments. The average time on the job was 9 years as an officer.

    Almost all of these officers had also been in life threatening scenarios before, and some had even been in previous shootings. They were described by their fellow officers as hardworking, and tough; however, there was a common theme indicating that they did not always follow correct safety procedures, for transports, arrests, and other similar situations.

    OFFENDER CHARACTERISTICS

    The offenders were predominantly males who were previously arrested numerous times, sometimes as many as 10 times previously.

    Sex: 95% Males, 5% Female

    Age: 26 years old

    Race: 51% White, 49% non white

    Size: 6í0, 175lbs

    Education: only 14% had high school diploma, 4% had college degree

    The offenderís backgrounds are universally terrible. They grew up in broken homes where drugs, and crime were ever-present factors of life. Many of them were thrown out of their homes during their teenage years.

    Their criminal histories were quite lengthy, with the average age of the first offense being 11 years of age, 9 for gang members. They most often committed larceny, and most were not punished for that first violation.

    As you might expect, the majority of the offenders reported regular drug and alcohol use; however, approximately 40% reported no use. Likewise, a large chunk of the 43 offenders reported gang affiliation, and approximately 10 of those 43 were veterans of the US military.

    During the interview process, the investigators questioned the offenders on their previous crimes, and received these astounding numbers for crimes that they could find no arrest records for.



    Previously Unreported Criminal History
    Previously Unreported Criminal History
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    This lends some insight into why they are so willing to commit crime. They are rarely caught for it. Read this excerpt from one of the offenders to see just what type of person we are dealing with.

    ďYeah, I mean, we was making a lot of money on the corner. The corner was doing something nice. We were making a lot of money on that corner, but there ainít nothing like a little extra dough. I mean, you know, you might hear that thereís another drug corner, and they might be making five gís a day out there. Letís ride through there and we used to ride through other drug corners and lay like mad people on the ground. You know, anybody get up off the ground, he get shot. There was a time when me and my right-hand man, we lay like ten people on the ground, and out of the ten people, one person got up and started running. He got shot all in his back. I mean, thatís the way it go. We empty the pockets, take the drugs; we take whatever they got on them. The drugs, the guns, the money, the weed, all that stuff. We take it all. Even if itís a nice leather jacket, weíd take that off his back. He might have a leather jacket on that cost $2,000; we take it all. That donít mean that weíll wear it, but weíll take it and sell it or give it to somebody we know, a friend, a girlfriend, whoever. Pack all that stuff in the back of the car and ride. Go to the next corner. There were times weíd rob corners all night, all night, and go home and have all the stuff and put it all on the bed and basically divide it and after doing all that and putting so much work in, you go to sleep. Get something to eat and go to sleep.Ē

    There are a couple of things Iíd like to highlight here. The willingness to use violence in furtherance of their own, and the gangís goals is chilling. This offender is talking about murdering huge numbers of people with no appreciable concern that this kind of behavior is not normal because, to him it is normal.



    THE EVENT

    This section will cover some specifics regarding each case to see if we can make any broad conclusions.

    Timeframe: approximately 40% of murders occurred during evening hours

    Event Type: Disturbance Call, In Progress Crime, Arrest

    Most Common Assault Location: Roadway

    Other Present: In approximately 40% of incidents there were other officers or other persons present

    These stats highlight that evening timeframes are the most common time for these violent events to occur. They are also not likely to be one on one scenarios.

    For the armed citizen this is generally good news, as most of the common events were police specific, i.e, joe citizen isnít getting called to handle a domestic dispute; however, since the street was the most common location of occurrence, that does increase the likelihood that an armed citizen might be present during a violent event.

    WEAPONS

    This section will cover the types of weapons used by the offenders, the caliber, and their previous experience with them.

    Most common weapon: pistol

    Most common caliber: 9mm

    Most Common Areas of Concealment: Front waistband/crotch, small of back

    18 of 50 officers had been in previous shootings

    16 of 43 offenders had received weapons training

    37 of 43 offenders regularly carried their weapon

    Hit rate offender on officer: 68%

    Hit rate officer on offender: 39%

    Average range: 15ft

    Most common offender shooting method: point shooting

    Percent of legally acquired gun used by offender: 0%

    These are some fairly startling statistics, but lets unpack some of them to see what we can learn. During the interviews the offenders stated that they selected their weapons based on what was available. They didnít endlessly ponder on what caliber or type of weapon they should get, they just bought what was available.

    Itís also commonly thought that these types of dirt bags donít practice or have any training with their weapons. This is patently false. Iím not suggesting that they are going to IDPA matches, and getting some good training, but they do have others in their gang they teach them methods that work on the street. Donít forget those that served in the military!


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    While some of us shooting snobs might scoff at their techniques, they were good enough to win a gunfight with a police officer. Police officers arenít always the best shooters, but they are probably better than the average concealed carry holder.

    They also universally bought their weapons off of the black market, with none reporting a legal purchase. They also reported that the easiest way to obtain a weapon was to burglarize a home. They estimated that they would find a gun in about 80% of houses if they chose them carefully.



    Offenderís had a higher hit rate because they almost always shot first. Many of these criminals have learned that aggression and violence are key to survival, and they are not constrained by laws or otherís welfare. If they hit a bystander, they couldnít care less.

    The offenders stated that they didnít attempt to aim, they simply pointed the weapon and shot. They stated that their goal was to initially disable their victim, and if they wanted to kill them they could do so much easier after wounding them.

    There is also good research showing that inexperienced shooters can point shoot very accurately at close distances. Often times just as accurately as trained marksmen.

    ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS

    Many of these stats are in line with a previous article that covered the 17 most important gunfight stats, but there are some differences. These stats highlight the fact that real gunfights are occurring on the street at 5 yards; however, they are most commonly initiated by the criminal which leaves us, the good guys, in a real pickle.

    The study highlighted that there were several cues that these criminals were armed, that officerís failed to pick up on. They reported that the offender would often blade the weapon away from the officer, and would touch or readjust the weapon to assure themselves that it was still secure. No criminal in this study used a holster.

    This highlights the fact that we arenít going to win this encounter with pure gunfighting skills. This fight is going to be won prior to shots being fired. The researchers emphasized that identifying suspicious bulges, or clothing appearances in the commonly carried positions was key, as well as the physical indicators of checking or touching their weapon.

    I would bet if you are reading this article then you are no stranger to concealed carry. Think about the actions that you do when you carry. I know when I get out of my truck I always pull my shirt over my gun, and I do touch my weapon from time to time to make sure it hasnít moved in the holster. Criminals do the same things, so pay attention! This video highlights some of those clues.



    One trick I find that helps me stay alert, especially during shifts as a police officer, is the gun game. Sorry I donít have a fancier name for it, but it is pretty simple. When Iím in an area with a lot of people, I say to myself that there is a gun on one of these people, and I try to pick the one I think is most likely to be armed. Thereís nothing saying you canít do this when youíre out and about going to your furries conventions.

    I would also recommend staying away from dangerous neighborhoods if at all possible. Most metropolitan areas have criminal databases that the public can view. These show when and where what types of crime occur. You will notice patterns. Keep out of those areas, and you are much less likely to be victimized.

    RESOURCES

    There are several resources that I would like to recommend for those that really want to improve their concealed carry, and self-defense skills. The first is a book by Kyle Lamb (Former Delta Shooter) called ďStay in the Fight! A Warriorís Guide to Combat Pistol.Ē (Amazon Affiliate Link) We appreciate the support!

    The second resource is a podcast I regularly listen to called, ďThe American Warrior Society.Ē The host Mike Seeklander is a former Marine, nationally ranked competitive shooter, and former police officer. The podcast has great guests from Tier 1 shooters, to knife experts, and many others. Check it out, Iím a huge fan. Hereís a quick video talking about AWS.



    CONCLUSIONS

    This report can be a downer to read, but it is invaluable to those of us who choose to carry a gun, or do so because itís our duty. We owe it to ourselves and the community to continue improving our proficiency with our weapons.

    The average time officers practiced in this study was 14 hours per year. That is horrendous. If you carry a weapon, you need a higher level of proficiency, but as this study showed, being a gun slinger is not enough.

    Youíre ability to identify threats before critical events occur is key. So engage your brain before you engage your weapon, and hopefully you wonít have to do the latter.
    Crossfit Level 1 Coach, Former Marine Officer, Current Police Officer

    Owner of Tier Three Tactical

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    Looks like the report is from 2006. Not exactly the most current trends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Vaquero View Post
    Looks like the report is from 2006. Not exactly the most current trends.
    Today's officers are getting killed making the same mistakes their grandfathers made.

    I have every copy of the yearly FBI publication 'Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted' from 1976 onward. One thing I noticed over the years is that if you take the summaries from 1976 and refer to weapons used as 'handgun' instead of 'revolver' or 'semi-auto pistol' you generally can not identify the era in which the fatality occurred.

    Often, if you read the summaries you will see that the officer violated a basic safety rule of the profession. Things such as parking directly in front of a disturbance location and being shot on the approach, or approaching the occupants of a wanted vehicle without using high-risk tactics.

    We are people, we become complacent, we take shortcuts in order to get things done quickly. Some of us are unsuited to do the portion of the job that involves contact with people who mean us harm. Some of us are unsuited to do the portion of the job that involves dealing with the citizens in non-confrontational situations.

    We are people. We could do better, but likely we wont. At least that is what I've learned over 30+ years looking at this stuff.

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    Pretty insightful comment. I do think some small things change, i.e caliber and weapon type, but generally you're correct the basics are the basics, and we violate them at our peril.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjackson@tierthreetac View Post
    Pretty insightful comment. I do think some small things change, i.e caliber and weapon type, but generally you're correct the basics are the basics, and we violate them at our peril.
    Absolutely. There has been a very, very, small decrease in the percentages of officers killed within 5 feet of their assailant, but hey, every bit counts. Maybe officers are learning to move instead of stand flatfooted.

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    14 hours a year, is that just the yearly qual? That is literally dismal. Are their statistics on ois where the officer trained more than that each year, and if so what do this statistics look like?

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    Perhaps, but to really find out about shooting outcomes for officers with more training you'd probably be looking at stats for tactical teams as they will always have more training than patrol. As an officer I can say that better departments train more, but I still think there's a lot of room for improvement.
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