Rifle butt not in the shoulder while shooting?

[hdrolling]

Can someone explain the benefit of firing a rifle with your cheek on a pistol butt stock, but the butt of the rifle not braced against your shoulder?

I'm just researching (watching youtube vids), so I see this guy fire a BCM 300 blk like this and the rifle is all over the place.

Is this common for SBR's, why?

[MistWolf]

For awhile, it was considered illegal to shoulder the arm brace of a pistol. I know of no advantage to just cheeking an AR over shouldering it

[26 Inf]

Some folks believe that if you shoulder the pistol stock rather than cheek-welding it you may be violating the law.

My stamp came in several months ago, so I'm not versed on what the final disposition is, this was where it stood as far as I know:

SB Tactical shared a new determination letter Tuesday that had been issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to clarify any confusion regarding shouldering the company’s “stabilizing brace.”

Shouldering a firearm equipped with a barrel less than 16 inches and an arm brace would make it an unregistered National Firearm Act item, ATF says in the letter dated March 21, adding that it continues to “stand by those conclusions.”

But “incidental, sporadic, or situational” use of a firearm equipped with an arm brace “in its original approved configuration” at or near the shoulder would not constitute a redesign nor make it an NFA item, ATF says.

Long story short, it aeems to me that you wouldn't want to post youtube videos of yourself using an AR pistol shouldered.

Someone else probably knows more, there was a lot of controversy over the various ATF letters.

[jackblack73]

Last week I was talking to a friend that was in the Marines, and he was describing firing a rifle with the butt stock over the shoulder while in the service. He said someone had shown him the technique and he preferred it. But I think it was more out of necessity due to all the gear he had on, and his vest in particular. He's not a very tall guy and so doesn't have the longest arms.

[hdrolling]

Thanks everyone, I didn't realize AR pistols didn't need a tax stamp. I figured it was still a SBR and needed one so I haven't started researching them yet.

I'm guessing this is a popular route to go if someone is waiting on a tax stamp, keep a pistol lower around to slap the SPR upper on while waiting? I just assumed buying a short barrel meant it had to stay at the dealer like a suppressor, is that not the case?

Last week I was talking to a friend that was in the Marines, and he was describing firing a rifle with the butt stock over the shoulder while in the service. He said someone had shown him the technique and he preferred it. But I think it was more out of necessity due to all the gear he had on, and his vest in particular. He's not a very tall guy and so doesn't have the longest arms.

Learning to fire with all the body Armour on is a practiced skill, and whats worse is the military keeps changing the gear. I remember in 04-05 heading into Afgan and Iraq with these crazy shoulder pads that were a huge pain. I have pics of me in mine on a hard drive somewhere.....

Your post doesn't make much sense.

An AR pistol is just that- a pistol. There are no restrictions on short barrels, or short uppers. Many people have been known to build an AR pistol first until their stamp arrives, and then replace the stock with a standard type collapsible stock.

What you said is kinda what I meant, just forgot how easy it is to replace the buffer tube from a pistol to a collapsible. No reason to build a separate complete lower.

I'm still learning .... and I tend to have couple more drinks than normal during this time of the year.

[Iraqgunz]

Your post doesn't make much sense.

An AR pistol is just that- a pistol. There are no restrictions on short barrels, or short uppers. Many people have been known to build an AR pistol first until their stamp arrives, and then replace the stock with a standard type collapsible stock.

Thanks everyone, I didn't realize AR pistols didn't need a tax stamp. I figured it was still a SBR and needed one so I haven't started researching them yet.

I'm guessing this is a popular route to go if someone is waiting on a tax stamp, keep a pistol lower around to slap the SPR upper on while waiting? I just assumed buying a short barrel meant it had to stay at the dealer like a suppressor, is that not the case?

[26 Inf]

What you said is kinda what I meant, just forgot how easy it is to replace the buffer tube from a pistol to a collapsible. No reason to build a separate complete lower.

I'm still learning .... and I tend to have couple more drinks than normal during this time of the year.

You need to follow a kind of weird route when building a pistol.

You cant start with a rifle and put a pistol tube on it, the receiver you use has to have been made as a pistol, or a bare receiver you are configuring.

When you buy a receiver the ATF form 4473, block 16 should be marked OTHER FIREARM and you can legally make it a pistol.

Once you it put together as a pistol you can make it a rifle (barrel over 16 inches, overall length 26) and convert it back to a pistol, but you can not legally convert a receiver/rifle that was marked LONG GUN in block 16 to a pistol. Weird, huh?

Read this: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ru...stols/download

[titsonritz]

Weird, huh?

Gay-as-fukk BS is what I think you meant.

[26 Inf]

Gay-as-fukk BS is what I think you meant.

Pretty much.

[Stickman]

Last week I was talking to a friend that was in the Marines, and he was describing firing a rifle with the butt stock over the shoulder while in the service. He said someone had shown him the technique and he preferred it. But I think it was more out of necessity due to all the gear he had on, and his vest in particular. He's not a very tall guy and so doesn't have the longest arms.

Not uncommon at all when clearing buildings with a rifle (M16/ M16A1/ M16A2/ M16A4 etc). We used to do it all the time.