M16 registered receiver repair service recommendations sought...

[georgeib]

I bought it on Subguns.com, a reputable board. It was purchased from an individual via a broker. Their were pictures and a full description. Problem is they were not true or accurate. The broker appears to perhaps have been honest, the individual was not. It was basically a fraud, a bait and switch. The middle man broker is actually the one making it right, to protect their rep and avoid court.

I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure this constitutes mail fraud at the very least. And given the probable amount of the transaction, and that state lines were likely crossed, is almost certainly a felony. Civil liability aside, there are definite criminal ramifications here. I would engage the full force of law to your advantage if I were you.

Please keep us updated.

[Hill Raiser]

I'd settle for no less than full refund. Way too much money to be repairing it right off the bat. Regardless factory A1 or conversion, it doesn't seem like the prices have taken off to much on the last year or so. Can always find a similar deal.

[SteyrAUG]

I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure this constitutes mail fraud at the very least. And given the probable amount of the transaction, and that state lines were likely crossed, is almost certainly a felony. Civil liability aside, there are definite criminal ramifications here. I would engage the full force of law to your advantage if I were you.

Please keep us updated.

You would think a few phone calls would put several agencies into action, but having seen this exact same thing almost a dozen times I'm here to tell you nobody cares. Not the post office, not the police in your town, not the police in the sellers town and not the ATF.

[RHINOWSO]

REFUND.

[prdubi]

M60Joe....he can repair it.

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[MistWolf]

I've done a few repairs to War Bird parts that are no longer made. I can think of a couple of ways to repair the egged out hole.

As far as repairing or getting a refund, that depends on how much you paid for it and how much it will cost to get another lower. If the machinegun registry remains closed, even repaired receivers will continue going up in value

[JoshNC]

REFUND. The thing is once you attempt any repair, it's yours. You know what's wrong with it, even if you fix those things you are going to be mighty pissed if a hairline crack appears after a few mags.

You are lucky if an honest person is involved. I've been in this situation. Had a well liked customer buy a HK registered sear and what actually showed up was a welded up piece of shit that had once been a HK sear. The seller did damn near everything he could to keep the cash including finding another buyer and asking ME to transfer it to the next dupe.

But I have to ask, how is it the person who brokered the receiver never saw it? I wouldn't sell jack shit on subguns unless the item was in my actual possession or in very rare cases unless I knew the owner and the item very, very well.

Exactly. Brokering items that are not in one's possession is not wise.

I bought it on Subguns.com, a reputable board. It was purchased from an individual via a broker. Their were pictures and a full description. Problem is they were not true or accurate. The broker appears to perhaps have been honest, the individual was not. It was basically a fraud, a bait and switch. The middle man broker is actually the one making it right, to protect their rep and avoid court.

Take the refund. Do not start down the rabbit hole of repairing this. The only way I would do so is if the purchase price was very significantly under market. Knowing (I think) from whom you purchased this, it was more likely top of market. You can find another 16 from a reputable dealer who is not a broker.

I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure this constitutes mail fraud at the very least. And given the probable amount of the transaction, and that state lines were likely crossed, is almost certainly a felony. Civil liability aside, there are definite criminal ramifications here. I would engage the full force of law to your advantage if I were you.

Please keep us updated.

That will go nowhere and require significant time and energy. I would instead take the refund, be thankful I didn't need to fight to get the refund, and focus my energy on finding the right transferable M16.

[JoshNC]

Why would you pay for a transferable machine gun without inspecting it?

What does registered receiver M16 mean? What exactly are we discussing here? A from the manufacturer select fire rifle or some kind of tranny conversion? I suspect the later. I gonna throw the flag on "egged out" hammer and trigger pin bosses. 7075-T6 aluminum is harder than a bulls balls. Some crazy f'ed up shitz would have to be going on to damage a properly manufactured lower receiver.

I'd love to see photos of said egged out receiver.

I would say that unless the item is local or regional, the majority of MG deals don't have the buyer inspecting the item. When dealing with a reputable seller it just isn't really necessary unless it is a very rare item. I have personally never inspected any MG I have purchased. But I have dealt with reputable people, either dealers or trusted individuals.

Registered Receiver (RR for short) M16 refers to the fact that the lower receiver is the registered MG and not a registered lightning link or drop in autosear (DIAS). RR M16s come in many flavors. There are factory made M16s from Colt and other gov contractors. Then there are the semi lowers converted to auto by various SOTs (and some individuals prior to 5/19/86). These include converted Colt SP1s and conversions of non-Colt lowers. Sendra, Olympic Arms, and Essential Arms receivers were commonly used in conversion. Sendra lowers were forged. Early Olympic were machined from billet (often rough in appearance and soft), while later were forged. EA were cast. Group Industries also made some stainless steel cast lowers. Non-Colt RRs typically have some degree of spec issues.

Egged out FCG pin holes, while not common it can occur. Especially when shooting a lot of 9mm on one's lower without the use of proper FCG pins. And even with the proper 9mm pins, this can still occur.

[JoshNC]

OP, what is the outcome of this?

[TED]

Egged out FCG holes may be one thing, having the receiver gouged in an effort to stake them and having the ears damaged and the trigger guard JB weld gunked in place is quite another!!

It is currently going badly and heading towards court. The seller wants the gun sent back before refund and I want the refund before sending the gun back. From my e-mail traffic (names have been changed to protect the guilty)...

"Just as you required me to send money before you sent the firearm, I require you to refund my money...before I return the firearm.

Why? One, obvious trust issues with Mr. X (Mr. Z may possibly be innocent?). Two, the firearm is potential evidence if need be at trial, civil, criminal, or both. Three, I want to ensure that there is no discrepancy regarding the amount.

My records (I have made records request with Mr. Bowers as well) show delivery of payment was received on June 27th 2016.

I would like to receive my money by July 1st. That would be just over 1 full year."

They ignored my concerns and the rest of the e-mail and simply reiterated their desire for me to send them the gun as soon as possible.

That's it for now.