View Poll Results: Accuracy Consensus of a Factory AK (7.62x39)

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  • Under 2 MOA

    5 8.77%
  • 2-3 MOA

    27 47.37%
  • 3-4 MOA

    11 19.30%
  • 4-6 MOA

    14 24.56%
  • 6-8 MOA

    0 0%
  • Over 8 MOA

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Thread: Accuracy Consensus of an AK (7.62x39)

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    Accuracy Consensus of an AK (7.62x39)

    Although I'm mainly an AR guy, I do enjoy shooting my AK (Arsenal SGL-21). I'm always impressed with the accuracy that I get out of the rifle with bulk 7.62x39 using just iron sights. I consistently shoot in the low to mid 3 MOA range (5 or 10 round shot groups) with the rifle. Although it is harder for me to use the AK iron sights over an AR with irons, my accuracy with them is pretty good. Furthermore on various forms of speed drills my accuracy with the AK with irons is broadly comparable to an AR with irons.

    This has me thinking that perhaps the AK is much more accurate than the bulk of shooters give it credit for. With the AR, the general consensus for a standard M4 pattern rifle seems to be roughly 2-3 MOA with M193 or M855.

    My question is what do you think a standard factory AK can do with standard 123gr 7.62 FMJ?

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    Depends on the country and their specs.

    Picture is of my friend sighting in his Arsenal using Lapua ammo! The holes on the bottom, on the white, was 154gr Tula soft point

    That being said......you give him a rifle and it just works. I'm convinced that if I gave him a musket from the 1700s he'd still manage to do that. However, give him a handgun and watch him hot everything but the target
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    5 shots 3-4 inches is good for a 7.62 AK. Irons or scope it's what they're capable of. Many are only 4-5 or even 5-6 inch rifles. It opens up by another inch or two once it gets hot.

    So after a fast mag a 3-4 in capable AK is more like 4-6. That 5 inch rifle goes to 6 or 7. Now double the range (and groups) at 200 yds...add an 8 mph crosswind. Pretty easy to miss a man entirely at this range from a rest with a hot AK.

    For natives add a worn out rifle and full auto and you'd have to pray to hit the enemy too.

    But I'm not picking on the AK. I've shot them plenty and respect them for what they are; very powerful submachine guns that can be used as a rifle sometimes
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    Depends on the AK, ammo, and most importantly the shooter.

    Its plenty accurate if all three are are good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizzie View Post
    My SAM7SF's will do 2" or better at 100 yards
    Same with my Vepr (right ammo of course)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeM4 View Post
    Depends on the AK, ammo, and most importantly the shooter.

    Its plenty accurate if all three are are good enough.
    Pretty much.
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    Trying to apply a blanket statement on the AK is like applying a blanket statement on the AR. That's silly.

    My dad and I bought a set of Arsenals back in 07 before the election. I zeroed them in. My rifle shot about 1.5 MOA for the first five round group. His shot a surprising 0.75" for the first group.

    Contrast that to a recent BCM I purchased with a FF rail that shot 3-4 MOA with match ammo.




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    I think I typically see about 1.5-2 MOA from my SAM7SF.

    I don't shoot it for groups but rather st steel from 50-150 yards. Only 'groups' I have shot were when I was trying to figure out the irons on it.
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    Something about those Sam 7s, watched a buddy who is a decent shot, but not any kind of expert shooter, tag a can of white spray paint at 100 yards with open sights.

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