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"very powerfull submachine gun". What I mean is the gun (AK-47) was designed to be used by tank crews and guards and such. It had a submachine gun-type role but can work as a rifle as well for short distances. Sub-gun first, rifle second. The M16 was sort of the opposite. A rifle first, carbine second.
But generally, a submachine gun is a short, full-auto weapon chambered for a pistol cartridge.
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In the west submachine guns were always chambered in pistol ammo. Soviet infantry doctrine developed differently from their experiences in WWII. The Soviets were unique among armies of that era in their mass issue of submachine guns (PPSH and PPS) in far greater quantities than the Allies or the Germans. Whereas in most armies only a few submachine guns would be issue to a platoon (PLs and SLs) in the Red Army often the majority of soldiers would be issued with submachine guns if not entire units. Although this give Soviet infantry a great deal of firepower in the close fight, their infantry was lacking in engagements over 100M.
So when the Soviets developed the AK in the late 1940s, they thought of the AK as a submachine gun with better range/hitting power. Whereas in the west, the Assault rifle was more of a rifle with select fire capability.
That's not really true.
This is more true.
The AK (the Soviets only referred to it as the AK, not AK-47, that was something done by Western intelligence) and AKM was developed as a replacement for the Airborne, Motorized, and Mechanized infantry squad's weapons, which were chiefly PPSh-41s and PPS-43s. Doctrinally, strategically, the AK was a "submachine gun". The Soviet experience in WWII had taught them the benefits of a squad being able to provide their own suppressing fire in an assault by hosing objectives at range with 7.62 Tokarev, making the AK-47 truly an "assault rifle". Like any true assault rifle, the AK was designed to be fired semi-automatically at range and fully-automatically in close quarters.
The SKS was developed simply to replace the Mosin-Nagant in its various guises and was chiefly to be issued to regular infantry units. However, the AK proved to be capable of doing everything they wanted the SKS to do and to do it better, and with cost-savings for standardizing on one rifle instead of two, they ultimately went with AKs service-wide.
The PPS-43 was still used for armored crews (and others who needed a defensive firearm where space was at a premium) and wouldn't fully be phased out of service until the adoption of the AKS-74U.
(It might also be worth noting how handguns were treated totally different in the Soviet Union: In the US, we wanted a fighting handgun in a fighting cartridge. In the Soviet Union, they wanted a compact, last-ditch, defensive handgun with just enough power to get the job done.)
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"In a nut shell, if it ever goes to Civil War, I'm afraid I'll be in the middle 70%, shooting at both sides" — 26 Inf
"We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon 10/30/18
AK's are fine accuracy wise from the better manufacturers; Saiga, Izhvesk, Arsenal etc.
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