Accuracy Consensus of an AK (7.62x39)

[MegademiC]

My friend once shot 3 shots out of my wasr within a half inch at 50 yds.

I could never use the stock sights well enough for tight groups at distance. I'll post a pic in a couple months once I put it back together with an rds.

[vicious_cb]

The AKM is a 200m and in gun period. The AKM and variants are inaccurate at range but not because of the inherent inaccuracy of the platform but because of the stubby low BC 7.62x39 bullets. You can show all the 2-3 moa groups you want at 50m or 100m but shoot out to 300m with a 10 mph cross wind and your bullet is drifting a full 19 inches off to the side. I could care less how tight your 100m groups are when your bullets are randomly veering off to the side when the wind picks up.

Now a 5.45, that a different story.

[Ron3]

The AKM is a 200m and in gun period... You can show all the 2-3 moa groups you want at 50m or 100m but shoot out to 300m with a 10 mph cross wind and your bullet is drifting a full 19 inches off to the side. I could care less how tight your 100m groups are when your bullets are randomly veering off to the side when the wind picks up.

Now a 5.45, that a different story.

Yup. Shooting a match that involved nearly 300 yd shots on steel with a low power scope on an AKM 7.62 in a strong crosswind is where I learned the limits of the gun/cartridge.

It's just not the gun for that job. Ak-Hatchet, AR-Scalpel (and don't let the hatchet rust or the scalpel get dull/break)

The 5.45's I've fired did seem more accurate. But my only 5.45 AK wasn't built right and didn't work well. (Wasr-2)

[Mrgunsngear]

I shoot a lot of AKs for groups. In 7.62x39 2-4 MOA is what can be expected

[Rifleman_04]

3 round groups aren't proving anything.

[MegademiC]

Just in case anyone is responding to me, i'm fully aware the 3 rd group is nearly meaningless, hence my anticipation to try the rds. I've only shot 6" 10 shot groups at 100yd with irond, but think it can do much better. I'm expecting 2-3."

[C-grunt]

like said above it really depends on the gun and the ammo used. Ive owned a few older WASRs back in the early to mid 2000s. 4-5 MOA guns with bulk ammo. I used to be a big believer of the "inaccurate AK" theory.

Then around 2008 or so my good friend bought an Arsenal. That thing shoots most bulk ammo at 3 MOA and even ammo "it doesn't like" is 4 MOA. I've seen that gun print multiple sub 3 MOA groups with decent range ammo and have seen it shoot 2 MOA with good ammo. Out to 300 yards that thing is definitely accurate enough for government work.

Since then I have been more exposed to properly built AKs as my shooting friends have grown older and tend to buy better guns. Per the Poll I chose 2-3 MOA but in reality I think it's more 2.5-3.5 MOA.

[Aries144]

3 shot groups tell you nothing about your weapon or your ammo beyond the general direction you're shooting in. Not even good enough for a solid zero.

10 shots gives an ok idea, 30 is better. That way you KNOW you aren't seeing just the left half of the group, the bottom half, etc like happens with 3 and even 5-shot groups. Too many people use 3 or 5-shot groups and excuse flyers that result in larger than expected groups as being the shooter's fault. A 10-shot group leaves little room for doubt and a 30-shot composite leaves (effectively) none.

[Arik]

What do you mean "left half, bottom half"

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[Krazykarl]

7.62x39 out of my polish underfolder is 6moa. Same cartridge in my sks with same cheap combloc ammo 4 moa. 7.62x39 with carefully assembled reloads using premium bullets out of scoped mini30 3moa. Read an article years ago in the now defunct but sorely missed Precision Shooting journal used 7.62×39 in a bolt gun for sub moa precision. In summary? All in the platform!