Accuracy Consensus of an AK (7.62x39)

[Arik]

Wouldn't carefully assembled reloads be more in the ammo then the platform?

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[Krazykarl]

I was trying to get the highest level of precision out of a mini30 without modifying the rifle. The rifle was being used to hunt smallish black tail deer. The mini30 was horid with steel cased east german and Chinese mil surp. 7-8 moa scoped groups. Not enough firing pin energy to ignite the hardened primer cups of combloc ammo. Out of 20 rounds 5 would require a second trip through the chamber to fire.

It turns out that the mini30 is a bastard of a compromise. Uses a 311 throat to feed milsurp ammo but the bore is 308. Once I found out about the 308 bore I began constructing taylor made reloads featuring the bullets that we americans enjoy. I ended up using nosler 120 ballistic tips for most of my hunting after months of experimenting.

[Arik]

You've got patience. I would have thrown that thing away a long time ago

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[Krazykarl]

I was a college kid at the time and enjoyed the challenge. Proved to be a healthy distraction from course work. I ended up selling rifle as package deal with dies, magazines, etc. Broke even and ventured into the 6br world. Bought a hart barrel and new rem700 action. Gunsmith made a benchrest rifle for me.

[teksid]

I have a stock LE6920 and a stock WASR. At 100 yds using irons on both and shooting cheap Ammo in both I get slightly smaller groups with the WASR. It's mostly because of the triggers. The mil spec in the Colt sucks worse than other mil spec triggers I have. The stock Tapco in the WASR is pretty light and crisp. Also I shoot better with the WASR's post and notch sights.
I prefer my AR's with Geiselle's over both.

[tylerw02]

I took out a circa 2006 6920 today that is bone stock. I've had this rifle for years. Despite the shit trigger, I did shoot one MOA group, but averaged about 2 MOA with handloaded ammo.

How many of us actually scope AKs the same way we do ARs? How many of us buy a quality AK and feed it quality ammo?

We treat ARs and AKs so differently. When I tell you I shot 5 MOA with wolf and irons in my AR today, how many would suggest that the poor accuracy is due to the wolf and irons?


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[teksid]

This guy has no trouble hitting plates at 150-300 yds standing with Wolf Ammo.
https://youtu.be/aSuAPjw2Jgw

[Aries144]

What do you mean "left half, bottom half"

This is an excellent explanation of what I'm describing. A single 3 or 5 shot group isn't enough to reliably tell you how big a group your firearm produces. It's only part of a group.

[tylerw02]

On the precision pages, we either say five five-round groups are a good idea. The 20 or 30 round groups start to cause things like barrel heat, mirage, etc that cause problems that are not related to the mechanical accuracy of the firearm.


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[Aries144]

disregard