Civil War in the US: Was the Baseball Game Shooting the Opening Salvo?

[yoni]

There's a not weak argument to be made that FDR's small dose of socialism saved the republic from going down dark roads of either communism or facsism.

My parents both went through the depression, and they were very conservative. My mother the doctor, would say many times through her life, "The decline of the Republic, started with giving women the right to vote. The vast majority of women aren't trained for critical thought, so they revert to type which is pure emotional thinking."

They both were not fans of FDR, but they said he did save the American people from themselves.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Almost every evil that people like you and me would identify in today's situation started with FDR and his administration.

There's a not weak argument to be made that FDR's small dose of socialism saved the republic from going down dark roads of either communism or facsism.

I'd be curious to read the exposition of that argument. I know FDR himself thought that was true, but almost every dictator thinks he is the one person saving the nation (whatever nation) from itself and from dark forces.

This is a bit of an alternate-history argument anyway. Even IF FDR's actions saved the USA from some unknown worse fate, that doesn't change my view that his actions took the USA away from being a constitutional republic.

[Averageman]

I've also read that FDR's misguided economic policies and Socialist programs lengthened the Great Depression.
Im not sure that he didn't do some good, but I don't believe he was our savior either.

[Doc Safari]

Getting into a discussion about whether FDR was a patriot or a traitor is about as productive as a discussion about AK vs. AR,or DI vs. piston, or clips vs. mags, etc.

Just sayin'.

[tylerw02]

Economics are simple. Supply and demand. Follow the dollar. When did demand for American labor really increase? What event caused Americans to get back to work?

/discussion. There are lots of "what ifs" but there is no way to substantiate any of it.


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[TomMcC]

There's a not weak argument to be made that FDR's small dose of socialism saved the republic from going down dark roads of either communism or facsism.

Speculative at best. What we did get was a much bigger Keynesian gov't that never in his admin got unemployment below 15%, and did STRIP American Citizens (Japanese and German ancestry) of their constitutional rights..........guess what....now we have a precedent for further fascism. The stock market didn't come back until I was born in 1953. We had to destroy the country to save the country no doubt.

[RetroRevolver77]

Did the female security person shoot herself in the leg?

[SteyrAUG]

They both were not fans of FDR, but they said he did save the American people from themselves.

I think we can credit wartime production from getting us out of the depression as much as any FDR program.

[Bulletdog]

What it all basically boils down to is one group pushing for Socialism while the other still wanting to retain a Constitutional Republic.

There is no middle ground in that equation.

I agree with you. Now where does the Muslim threat, the enormous illegal immigrant problem, and the race wars that BHO and Holder successfully reignited fit in to that equation?

[tylerw02]

Reminds me of the old WWII comparison; how can you compromise with evil? Hitler wants to kill all the Jews...do you comprise and let him kill half?

You can't compromise with evil. Socialism and communism are evil. There are two types of socialists: the ignorant and the evil.


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