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Thread: USS Fitzgerald Collision (and another: USS McCain)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark5pt56 View Post
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    USS Fitzgerald Collision (and another: USS McCain)

    Well, a 3 star just lost his job over these...

    US Navy dismisses 7th Fleet commander after deadly mishaps
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/23...y-mishaps.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC5188 View Post
    Well, a 3 star just lost his job over these...

    US Navy dismisses 7th Fleet commander after deadly mishaps
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/23...y-mishaps.html
    Yep. Rolling heads all up and down the chain is a time-honored tradition in the US Navy. As is often the case in the military, incompetent leadership costs lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC5188 View Post
    Well, a 3 star just lost his job over these...

    US Navy dismisses 7th Fleet commander after deadly mishaps
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/23...y-mishaps.html

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    Observing the general condition of the McCain on TV last night, I immediately wondered if the Navy's budget is really that tight or if the command is too lax. Besides the hole in the boat, it looked awful.
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    If you retire him three months before he chose to retire, other than sending him off on essentially what amounts to a ninety day vacation before he was already going to retire, what's been achieved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    Observing the general condition of the McCain on TV last night, I immediately wondered if the Navy's budget is really that tight or if the command is too lax. Besides the hole in the boat, it looked awful.


    Noticed that as well. Just didn't look maintained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    Observing the general condition of the McCain on TV last night, I immediately wondered if the Navy's budget is really that tight or if the command is too lax. Besides the hole in the boat, it looked awful.
    You know, that crossed my mind as well.


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    Still cannot get my head around these collisions. Besides electronics, doesn't the Navy still station lookouts with high power glass with night capabilities at several locations? Even if the radar and other electronics failed, its hard to imagine the sailor steering the ship as well as the lookouts could see something as big as a ship no avoid it. If the U.S. ship was stationary and the lookouts spotted a ship on a direct course to their position, why can't the engines be engaged and get the ship out of the way? Very strange indeed.....
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    unless the ships are purposely being hit and changing course to get hit etc. which would be really easy to prove the Navy is messing up big time

    something is happening though and one needs to get to the bottom of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack Wonder View Post
    Still cannot get my head around these collisions. Besides electronics, doesn't the Navy still station lookouts with high power glass with night capabilities at several locations? Even if the radar and other electronics failed, its hard to imagine the sailor steering the ship as well as the lookouts could see something as big as a ship no avoid it. If the U.S. ship was stationary and the lookouts spotted a ship on a direct course to their position, why can't the engines be engaged and get the ship out of the way? Very strange indeed.....
    Not strange, at all. It has been addressed here multiple times. The human factor + Murphy = potential for massive failure. Undermanned crew means fewer watches and fewer watch stations, people at watch longer, craft don't obey rules of navigation in a channel that is full of craft, undertrained/inadequately trained crew....

    The pro's in the risk business call it the Swiss cheese effect...when all the holes in the Swiss cheese line up, system failure occurs.

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