Sitting here shaking my head at the number of people recounting traffic stops where they received warnings and no tickets while applauding how smoothly their stops went
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Sitting here shaking my head at the number of people recounting traffic stops where they received warnings and no tickets while applauding how smoothly their stops went
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Last edited by Honu; 06-23-17 at 07:23.
Seemed a different topic, so starting new thread Philando Castile shooting. Many are turning this into a 2A issue claiming his 2A Right were violated and then jumping on the NRA, etc for not commenting on it, because as we all know, the NRA hates black people (make sure sarcasm meters are turned on) and all manner of left (the irony...) and right rags are jumping on the bandwagon. For example:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.21031880e4ac
I have to admit, I never saw this event as a 2A related issue. As chitty as the event was (covered in the thread on the topic) I didn't see it as his 2A Rights being infringed. Did any of you? Many of course making it a race issue claiming "2A Rights don't apply to black people," etc, etc.
To that end, how police handle a stop with a person who has a CCW ranges state to state, PD to PD, and even individual to individual LEO! It would seem some constancy is needed there. For the LEOs here, what specific instructions are/were you given in terms of handling a stop with legal CCW and how much leeway are you given? I have no issues with making sure the LEO and myself are kept safe per making sure ID, etc handy and all that, but should an officer decide to handcuff me "for his own safety" would not be OK. I have heard of that happening to people. Putting someone in handcuffs while legally CCWing having broken no laws because the LEO decides it makes he/she feel better would be infringing on my 2A Rights in my view. I do not want to be treated like a criminal having broken no laws because the LEO simply does not trust me.
It would seem if anything, this event exposes a need for LE and citizens to have a conversation about best ways of avoiding miscommunications between them during a non criminal stop and legal CCW encountered and both need to develop more consistent SOP for it.
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“Those who do not view armed self defense as a basic human right, ignore the mass graves of those who died on their knees at the hands of tyrants.”
* never mind, I can already see where this is going to go...
Deleted... Agree with SomeOtherGuy.
Since the usual suspects have dropped "the race card", I'm not going to bite.
Last edited by Det-Sog; 06-23-17 at 11:44.
U.S. Army vet. -- Retired 25 year LEO.
I'm not seeing why it needs to go that way and was intended to open discussion RE what is infringement of 2A Rights during a non criminal stop and what's not. Some feel this event was an infringement on his 2A Rights (regardless of color) as he was a legal CCW holder.
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“Those who do not view armed self defense as a basic human right, ignore the mass graves of those who died on their knees at the hands of tyrants.”
After watching the video, I have a very distinct impression that were possibly many other factors contributing, such as failure to comply with officer instructions and possible chemical impairment. IMHO, if the deceased would have kept his hands on the steering wheel and complied with instruction, I don't think there would have been the same outcome. The guy was not shot because he was legally carrying IMHO...
IMHO, it was a justified shoot. I'm not sure I would have reacted the same way if I was the LEO in that situation, but I was not there, so I won't speculate as we cannot see what the officer saw. Now I'm done.
U.S. Army vet. -- Retired 25 year LEO.
This is not that hard... It's not a 2A issue, the officer was instructing him not to reach for it, repeatedly. He apparently did not comply.
Plus the fact he was totally stoned (the in system) pretty much invalidates his ccw permissions in every state I'm aware of. Be the same if drunk and white.
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